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The result was delete. Courcelles 23:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I found zero significant coverage while searching under Leo Goldseed and Leo Perez. The record labels have no articles same with the albums. SL93 (talk) 23:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. lifebaka++ 02:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Recreated article after having been previously deleted for failing WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. This is still the case. He is yet to make a an appearance at the senior level and therefore fails WP:NSPORT. All coverage I have been able to locate is either routine coverage mostly pertaining to his transfers to and from Liverpool, or unreliable self-published sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the criterion relating to appearing for a club in a major league, which he has yet to satisfy, but this player has generated a fair amount of buzz in the football world and, it seems to me, at least, is worthy of inclusion according to that criterion under WP:CSD G4. Some examples: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7140270,00.html, http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2011/08/31/2644967/official-liverpool-sign-us-starlet-villyan-bijev-loan-him-to, http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/31/liverpool-joe-cole-craig-bellamy. Obviously, will go with the consensus on this, but I suspect he will qualify under the appearance criterion very very soon. In fact, I see he played yesterday and scored two goals, which may already satisfy the appearance criterion! http://www2.fortuna-duesseldorf.de/nc/pages/news/uebersicht-news/artikel/article/90-sieg-im-freundschaftsspiel-bei-der-schwalmtal-auswahl/index.htm. I will add this to his page whilst you consider this. grj1958 (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that all seems quite clear cut. I will leave it to you to apply whatever criteria you see fit with regard to notability. Just seems incongruous to me that a debut appearance for Fortuna Dusseldorf (which will presumably qualify him for entry) trumps being signed as an American teenager by Liverpool in terms of importance. Guess that's the difference between the criteria applied by news journalism, with which I'm familiar, and those of Wikiepdianism, with which I'm not. I will try harder next time. One final thing: how would I (or anyone else who might be so inclined) retrieve the page if and when Bijev puts on his No 16 shirt and crosses the white chalk line of notability? Thanks a lot. grj1958 (talk) 15:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Merger should be discussed on the talk page. Clearly no consensus to use the deletion tool, however, so that disucssion can, and should, continue outside AFD. Courcelles 23:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been nominated twice for deletion before this time; it survived twice in spite of lack of citations. Well, everybody mentions the game's title; unfortunately, the game's notability is insufficient enough to keep this article. The history's rules are still unreferenced, and the past major mistakes (e.g. "rigged" incident) are good enough to be in List of The Price Is Right pricing games. External link is too bare; it contains a Drew Carey video and only the current rules. I would say merge, just as "Cliff Hangers" did recently. --Gh87 (talk) 21:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These sources (especially the scholarly ones) clearly demonstrate enough notability for Plinko to merit its own article. RJaguar3 | u | t 07:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any significant coverage for this book. There is also no article about the author. SL93 (talk) 20:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate seat from Virginia. He is a perennial democratic challenger for Senate and Congressional seats and has never qualified as a challenger. A bank fraud convection and lying about one's name tends to turn people off. Creating editor refused to have article redirect or merged. Bgwhite (talk) 20:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The argument that Modica is a perennial democratic challenger carries no weight based on the references provided. If the author was aware of the history. Modica himself has placed most, if not all, the legal arguments in his case on the web, under Docstoc. The fact is Modica brings insight and experience to the world of Virginia politics not seen or heard before. Do I have a bias? Your damn right I do. Modica's candidacy brings me hope that I may be able to, someday, live a normal life. The life taken from me while I was defending the rights Bgwhite has just abused. I and Mr. Modica, I am sure, are aware of the person who wrote the negative comments. At this point in my recovery, I am limited to what I can do for Mr Modica's campaign, but whatever I am able to do, I will do until I can do it no more. After all I have been through in my 23 years, how dare Bgwhite steal the one ray of hope I have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bgwhite's criticism is baseless. And if he continues I, not Mr. Modica, will expose him for the fruad he truely is. This starts my formal complaint to prevent Bgwhite from ever contributing on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J3mm0 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC) — J3mm0 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I have added the section Legal Controversy and explained on Modica's behalf what he did during the period in question AND ultimately described the fact that the 1993 Court decision does not affect Modica's campaign. To make it very, very clear, I am the mother of Modica's greatest supporter, but I will be perfectly honest the comments Bgwhite made about Mr. Modica have truly upset my son and they have upset me. Has Bgwhite ever served in a combat zone? Has he ever stood face to face with an enemy who does not value his own life? If Bgwhite does not remove his criticism of Mr. Modica, I will demand Bgwhite not be allowed to ever participate in Wkipedia ever again. The next time Bgwhite sees a combat injured veteran, I pray he says something nice.
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article deleted twice before after discussions (see first discussion and second discussion; note the second discussion was under the name of "Young Hot Rod"). No deletion review was done as far as I can tell. I am hesitant to simply delete since the article appears to now assert some degree of notability. I have absolutely no knowledge in the field, however, and therefore as far as I am concerned this is a procedural renominate with no opinion on my part. It is my strong opinion that in light of the recreations, if the article is again deleted after a discussion that the article should be salted. --Nlu (talk) 15:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Sandstein 05:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly does not meet the notability guideline as per WP:POLITICIAN Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think this violates the notability guideline as per WP:POLITICIAN. That allows for articles on unelected politicians insofar as they meet certain notability criteria. The subject of this article has been included in reliable news media, in more than a trivial mention.Rhadamanthys.Mann (talk) 19:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had speedied a previous version of this article, which didn't even have the one newspaper article as a source but was otherwise identical. As noted, candidates for office are not notable just for being candidates; with rare exceptions for candidates who generate an unusually large volume of news coverage, a candidate for office is only entitled to a standalone article if he would have qualified for a standalone article independently of standing as a candidate, by virtue of having garnered substantial media coverage for his work as a doctor before he ran for office. And if you have to rely mostly on references which do not meet our standards for reliable sources (i.e. his profile on the hospital's website or his profile on the party's website, both of which fail to be independent of him), then that's a sign that he isn't sufficiently notable to be one of those rare exceptions — one article in the Town Crier doesn't cut it for media coverage. He may be (and in fact already is) listed in Ontario New Democratic Party candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election, but this article as written does not demonstrate that he qualifies for a standalone article under Wikipedia's rules. Delete; albeit of course without prejudice against recreation if he wins in October. And don't mistake this for a partisan thing, either, because I'm as loyal a New Democrat as you're ever likely to find on here (or pretty much anywhere) — and it's also worth remembering that our notability rules are not a comment on his worth as an individual or as a candidate; they're strictly about the quality of the article. Bearcat (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to Bearcat for a comprehensive explanation. I support the deletion of the article based on the explanation of the protocols. I take issue with Mr. No Funny Nickname's analysis as I find it incomplete. I also don't consider this to be a biased "electioneering" article. But given Bearcat's analysis, it seems the article is best deleted, with the substantial information to be found solely in Ontario New Democratic Party candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election.Rhadamanthys.Mann (talk) 06:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is a list of characters who seem to have no independent notability whatsoever. It's all summary, original research, and primary sources, though I'm not calling it 'cruft' since that apparently is a bad word. I could live with a redirect, but this should not be a free-standing article. Drmies (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy keep, nomination withdrawn, no other editor advocating deletion. (non-admin closure) Quasihuman | Talk 11:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've only been able to find one reliable source that discusses the subject, and that was a new story that came out as a result of his death. Unless someone can find some more reliable sources, the subject seems to fail WP:GNG. Inks.LWC (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC) Nomination Withdrawn Inks.LWC (talk) 05:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Experience design#Commercial context. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 01:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neologism 2-3 months old, per admission on talk page. TransporterMan (TALK) 18:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this fails GNG (see talk page also). I've removed one reference which was a self-published book, which leaves the article - but [6] suggests this is about a mountain, not the person who measured it. Dougweller (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Gucci Mane discography. Courcelles 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not long enough for its own article. Should be merged to Gucci Mane discography. Also, the lack of sources is an issue. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Player is not notable and, subsequently, fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE — JSRant Away 16:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Merger discussions should continue elsewhere Courcelles 23:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a place for travel guides - that is what Wikitravel is for. Nor is it a place for minority interests such as bus/plane/train spotters - that is why the foundation set up Wikia. Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 11:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Sandstein 05:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about a non-notable piece of software. There is no coverage in reliable sources. The sourcing in the article is a primary source and some unreliable sources. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medo Abowarda. Whpq (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 21:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
nn web browser, unreferenced nymets2000 (t/c/l) 14:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn, no "delete" !votes (non-admin closure) Pgallert (talk) 08:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not-notable shooting, This is still just a local crime story -- there is nothing of encyclopedic value here. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, I did not find the fact that is was identified as the first school shooting. That could be added to the article. For now, I am convinced about its notability and suggest closure as speedy keep. Night of the Big Wind talk 19:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not-notable shooting, This is still just a local crime story -- there is nothing of encyclopedic value here. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These sources are clear evidence this is not merely "news", rather a notable historical event - based on coverage in secondary, academic, reliable sources. These sources can be added to the article, no reason to delete. Marokwitz (talk) 07:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article appears well written, with emphasis on regional and national public interest. Streltzer (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not-notable shooting, This is still just a local crime story -- there is nothing of encyclopedic value here. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
not notable shooting Night of the Big Wind talk 14:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable shooting. This is still just a local crime story -- there is nothing of encyclopedic value here. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable shooting Night of the Big Wind talk 14:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Biography is based on primary sources, and a Google search (News, Books) provided no indication that the subject is notable--i.e., that his books have been reviewed or his career discussed. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
self released album lacking significant coverage in 3rd party reliable sources. Only reference in the article is a spammy one to sales site. RadioFan (talk) 13:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Player does not pass WP:GN or WP:FOOTYN as he has not played in a professional league or represented Libya. Delusion23 (talk) 13:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Consensus is that coverage is insufficient.--Kubigula (talk) 04:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article about a shopping mall that has not yet been built. No sources. FiachraByrne (talk) 12:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of this article does not yet exist. Create an article once the album has been released. No sources for article. FiachraByrne (talk) 11:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable "genre of percussion music"? Quick search on google reveals little (other than this document and its category). Unable to find any images related to percussion. Dengero (talk) 02:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Sony. Or other target, if a better one exists Courcelles 23:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not WP:NOTABLE LES 953 (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Sony. Or other article, should a better target exist Courcelles 23:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not WP:NOTABLE LES 953 (talk) 15:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Ashburn, Virginia#Fire-rescue and emergency services. Consensus here favours redirecting the page to the article on the town, and to aid in navigation that is generally advised as opposed to outright deletion. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 01:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A small volunteer fire department. While undoubtedly a noble organization, it does not meet the notability requirements (significant coverage with sources addressing subject directly in detail, etc.) Neutralitytalk 05:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Redirect. Page has already been redirected to appropriate target (non-admin closure) BusterD (talk) 13:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This club falls into exactly the same category as those discussed at here,here,here, here,here,here, here, here, here, here and here. The article lacks sources to pass WP:GNG. Mtking (edits) 03:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject of this unsourced BLP. J04n(talk page) 00:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Transparency International. Courcelles 23:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to Transparency International. There is no need for an extra article out of the 70+ branches TI has. Dengero (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No reliable source in the article, does not live up to WP:MUSICBIO Tachfin (talk) 12:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No notability established. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedily deleted (G12, copyvio) by SpacemanSpiff. Non-admin closure. Deor (talk) 20:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTNEWSPAPER Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 11:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Below-par article on a non-notable technology, produced by a moribund project.
This product's claim to fame is based on having a four-character name beginning with X (Don't underestimate these, it was the fashion around 2000). The idea is a simple one (although the article fails to clarify this) - to make an XML dialect for expressing SQL, rather than using the well-established SQL syntax. Note that it is not a query language for querying XML documents - that's a different problem (See XQL or even SPARQL).
The problems in a WP sense are an evident lack of notability. As the project appears to have become dormant around 2002, it seems unlikely that this will ever change in the future.
Technically (and I understand this to be an irrelevance) the project appears mis-directed anyway. It's likely the result of the "Let's express <foo> in XML!" enthusiasm of the early 2000s. Not everything that can be expressed in XML is useful to express in XML. There are also technical holes in the project: Why is Perl so crucial? Isn't the whole point of XML expression being that it makes you coding language independent? Does this express DDL, or just DML? If SQL must be expressed in XML, then there are similar projects, like Apache Torque, that would seem to be doing a better job of this.
If the project were live, promising and looked likely to grow I wouldn't nominate this. However it's both clearly non-notable today and, with these off-wiki technical caveats, is also unlikely to improve. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm missing some tags or something. This is complicated and frustrating. Please fix it for me. This is regarding the page "Ernest Emerson". This page is a blatant advertisement for this person's custom knife making business. This page was nominated for deletion a few years ago and whomever decided to keep it based his opinion on the false claim that you can't buy the knives anymore hence it was not advertising. Please take a look at the original debate and see that for yourself. That was a lie because you can buy the knives and a massive inventory of other items from that person's website here http://www.emersonknives.com/ There isn't a single reason for that person to have a wikipedia page. The bio info about him inventing stuff are "substantiated" by links to magazines well known to post paid advertisement articles and pages that do no exist.--powermugu-powermugu
link to first afd (which i'm putting here like this because i don't want to try to figure out how to make it show up like it's supposed to. — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP -subject is a definitive contributor and notable pioneer in the tactical and military knife industry. Article is more than reliably sourced, and sources are accurate and relevant. Deleting articles like this with respect to tactical knife history is is equivalent to deleting articles on Steve Jobs or Bill Gates with respect to Computers. --Gusstrand (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Sources are accurate and reliable, the author is reputable, and the subject matter is not spurious, but rather a nicely written biography of a notable person. The information was obviously well researched, and contains data that is not available anywhere else. I find this attempt at deletion to be farcical. --Jiminpotomac (talk) 19:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP I've checked and rechecked the sources over the last few days, and in a nutshell, everything is accurate, and the sources are verifiable (to wit, deleting the article does not have any merit whatsoever) --Jon Svoboda Sept 1, 2011 15:29 EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Svoboda (talk • contribs) 19:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
After being accused of being a sock puppet, I will respond that this article meets AND EXCEEDS all necessary requirements including the revered WP:V and the deletion request is merely a personal attack on what appears to be the original author and the subject. I use this page to refer collectors and inquiries to very frequently. The page is a definitive resource. --Still a human, Gusstrand (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I am not a sock puppet. Not in the least. To get back on track again, the sources are reliable, and the article is accurate. It would seem that someone doesn't particularly care for the subject matter the article pertains to -- Jon Svoboda (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC) *Comment – Some people have various beliefs about how Wikipedia should exist as. See Association of Deletionist Wikipedians and Exclusionism.Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Just_Kait - simply not notable. Slashme (talk) 14:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Borderline Bio by MTV is some indication of notability. But there's no other indicaiton of wp:notability, nor specific content in text that even asserts it. North8000 (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This has been discussed well enough at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Just_Kait, and the result was delete. If there's no more discussion here, that result should be good enough here. --Slashme (talk) 08:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Youth tournament organized by third party, not UEFA-sactioned. Participants are non-notable players who fail WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Routine coverage of the tournament similar in quantity and depth as the deleted Talent Cup. Borderline WP:CSD#G11. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 07:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep all. — Joseph Fox 18:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Contested PROD. Reason for PROD was "Non-notable amateur club per WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN". PROD was contested with no reason given.
Viribus Unitis have never played for a national cup competition (failing WP:FOOTY) and for the lack of media coverage, it fails WP:GNG as well.
Also, for the exact same reason, i am also nominating these six articles for deletion:
--Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 06:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 23:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Sandstein 05:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neologism used as coatrack for webspam. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The most basic problem here appears to be that neither one of the two editors actually understood the article or its technical significance. I don't know whether to fault the article, or to fault the editors, or both. From their reactions, I have to assume that they know almost nothing about today's genealogy industry and its problems, and so see no value in the (patented 2004) solution.
I think it is interesting that one of them was so sure of his computer and database and genealogy industry experience that he could make this statement: "The page seems as much about efficiency in a global project, which has the same benefits independent of technique." "Independent of technique?" How about if I ask this editor for a reference for that rather sweeping statement? I would love to read it and respond. If one method costs hundreds or thousands of times more than another, that might seem like a difference worth noting. It might be correct as a theoretical statement that, to the end user, getting the result one way was as good as getting a result another, assuming there was no cost difference. However, today it is simply impossible to finish it the way it is being attempted because of the exorbitant costs involved.
Here is an item which I should add to the article to help clarify the situation: "The LDS Church has had an active genealogy research program going on for more than 100 years, so they can provide some interesting statistical experience. Within the last few years they have discovered that the genealogy research which has been assembled in their central systems has been duplicated an average of 30 times, with 200 times being common, and 10,000 times being perhaps the largest case. This illustrates the staggering duplication, and thus waste, of valuable researcher time. Of the 1.5 billion entries in the database, only about 50 million names are unique. Looking at this another way, if there were 1.5 billion unique entries in the database, that would easily cover the entire United States and all of Western Europe, instead of just the tiny portion of it represented by the 50 million entries."
Today's genealogy processes use mountains of computers, but use them in the most inefficient way imaginable. Perhaps the editors assume that with the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been spent on genealogy research, especially in recent decades, we are using the best possible methods. But nothing could be farther from the truth. The "standard" or traditional ways of doing things are absurdly inefficient in today's technological world, but those traditional ways are tenaciously clung to nonetheless. If the editors want to key in on profit and greed, they will find that the current methods are retained because they are profitable to the research firms and database firms now embedded in the industry. But those methods are extremely expensive and thus "unprofitable" to the genealogy hobbyists and other kinds of enthusiasts who desire to use these professional services to research their families.
Of course people have been tracing descendents for thousands of years, as one editor mentions, but with the Internet, and proper procedures, it can be done literally hundreds or even thousands of times faster. And it doesn't matter which organization decides to actually implement these ideas. This article could serve equally as well as an "ad" for the LDS Church with its large genealogy activities, or as an "ad" for some generic secular genealogical society, or as an "ad" for me if I were somehow able to implement these ideas.
It would seem a bit silly if Wikipedia never put up an article which benefitted anyone in any way. What, then, would be the point of having Wikipedia? Who is the target audience, after all?
The whole general question as to what material should be in Wikipedia seems to be pretty slippery and subjective. You say you don't want anything new, or of any commercial value to anyone, but does that mean that you don't want the "Lady Gaga" article (it is there) to be written until after the end of her career or her life? As long as she is alive and performing, the article about her has at least a small potential economic and marketing effect.
As an example, the 2 Wikipedia editors who have taken a look at my article seem to be saying that there can be no US money or commercial interests in anything which is placed on Wikipedia. Perhaps they would like to only see articles about quinoa in South America, as spoken about by the illiterate indigenous natives who have nonetheless recorded annual quantities of production by knotting ropes as the Incas did.
I noticed that the Intel Corporation and IBM Corporation who sell computers, and Ancestry.com who sells online databases, and the National Genealogical Society who sells very large genealogy conferences (4000 people at a time) multiple times a year, all have their entries in Wikipedia. Yes, they are of general interest, but one has to assume that most of the data presented there came from internal sources with a low-key marketing impulse behind it. (If it didn't come from internal sources, I would have reason to doubt its accuracy). If you say nothing with any actual or potential economic effect could be placed on Wikipedia, you would have an almost perfectly blank database.
This genealogy article is related to a patent which was issued in 2004 and another improved version of that patent which was filed provisionally this year to be granted next year. Are industry-changing patents and related methods of no interest to Wikipedia? Do I need to wait 10 years and then publish the exact same article, and it would be fine? Let's say that I invented the lightbulb 10 years ago, and now I am explaining the lightbulb to the world. There have been and will be billions of dollars tied up in lightbulb economics, and whoever invented the lightbulb would have a good reason to make sure people had accurate information about it. So because there is a sliver of economic interest in getting an article into the public mind-share, does that mean it is not suitable for Wikipedia? Would you delete a lightbulb article? See Wikipedia article "Incandescent light bulb."
The editors are not too consistent here. First they say it is as common as dirt to find people researching genealogies in descendent sequence (perhaps I should write an article on dirt --oops, somebody already did write a Wikipedia article on "Dirt," complete with photos of dirt), and then they seem to say that I'm describing something that is unknown to the genealogy industry. I don't think it would be a big problem to find other references which use the term as I use it, if that is all that the objection is about. I will look into that. I just never anticipated that that sort of thing would be a basis for deleting the article.
Perhaps the real problem is that these editors actually are not very familiar with the genealogy industry, and therefore are not aware of the massive productivity problems that exist in the industry, and therefore are unaware of the value to that industry of getting these massive problems solved properly. It appears that they do not grasp the consequences of the little bit of mathematics included in the article. Perhaps AFTER the entire industry is restructured by this new insight, then it would be okay to write about the new industry as so reconstructed, looking back on history? Must all of the articles on Wikipedia be at least a lifetime's old, only recording things that happened at least 90 years ago?
I should mention that the article could conceivably be slightly rewritten with the title of "genealogy mathematics." There are some other interesting theoretical mathematics articles available on that topic, that could be joined with the practical methods shown in my article for how those mathematics can be put to work. Perhaps that would improve the appearance of novelty, if that is what the editors are looking for. The question then becomes whether the article should emphasize the cooperative power of using descendent-sequence genealogy research, or whether it should emphasize the related mathematics. Maybe we ought to wait a little while and get some real genealogists to vote on which is a better way to present the exact same material, and then perhaps adjust the title. Or perhaps we should put in two titles, with one pointing to the other.
Charge: "neologism used as coatrack for webspam"
I plan to remove the proposed deletion markings as soon as I finish this little explanation. Obviously I am a newbie (does that require hazing in the Wikipedia culture?) and have only gotten through the first layer of complexity on how to do the basic editing and fit an article into the apparently rather complex and somewhat arcane methods which have grown up around this very useful public knowledge resource.
There doesn't seem to be any good place to mention one's qualifications for doing any particular article, perhaps because of the (questionable) assumption is that anyone can do it. But I am 70 years old, have worked most of my life as a computer consultant on extremely large systems, such as a billion-dollar communications system requiring 900 programmers. I also have two law degrees and have worked as an attorney. (I can only hope you will not use that against me. :-) )
I am already aware of numerous formatting problems, including the use of adequate in-line references, etc. As soon as I finish reading the material on those topics I will make those changes. My first goal was to make the article intelligible and not too long, with a minimum of external references, and then I will gradually work in more references to outside material. There are mountains of material available, and the trick is to select that which would be most appropriate. By putting this on the web I might be able to get some of my associates to help me a little bit on this project.
The major claim is that this is a "neologism". I did spend quite some time trying to decide what the title of the article should be, and looked to see if there were other articles or titles where this material might better be placed. But, unfortunately, similar charges of unsatisfactory labeling might be made against many of the genealogy-related articles which are now in Wikipedia. Although it would be a rather large job, it looks to me like someone needs to look at all of the genealogy related articles and give them a little bit more consistency. I am going to look into that, but even if it seems feasible, it will take weeks to complete. If, in the end, it appears that I have chosen poorly on the title, I will certainly consider changing it.
Among those hundreds of thousands of serious genealogists who attend public conferences, I expect that almost every one of them would know what this topic means without further explanation. There is another term in common use called "reverse genealogy" which means somewhat the same thing, although it is a rather amorphous term since it mostly is a set of research workarounds rather than a concept of its own. I expect that the man in the street would better understand "descendent genealogy" rather than "reverse genealogy." He might say "What in the heck is 'reverse genealogy?'," especially since he would probably know almost nothing about non-reverse genealogy.
As to the "spam" charge, I think that is completely overcome by both the public service, nonprofit intention and the "notability" aspects of these new insights into genealogy research and data recording. As I note in the article, there are about 4 million people in the United States, and millions elsewhere, who spend hundreds of millions of hours each year doing highly duplicated and highly repetitive tasks. If we could save the equivalent of $60 billion a year in duplicate work, someone might think that was an effort worth doing. Whether I can supply those needed facilities or not, or only some religious or governmental body would have the resources to carry out the project, if some of these working genealogists come to realize the extreme inefficiency of the methods they are using, and the enormous increase in productivity which is now potentially available to them, they might adopt these cooperation methods and greatly improve the entire genealogy research industry.
If that informing process is "marketing," and thus condemned on Wikipedia, then we might wonder whether the entire nation's education and publishing systems should be shut down as being informative and therefore "marketing." Huffkw (talk) 02:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. The "keep" opinions are unpersasive in terms of Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines. Sandstein 05:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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This CD/Album in not at all notable, obscure Korean singing, not sold in the US, not notable in Korea either Iairsometimes (talk) 22:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This album is one of Don Moen his products!! And Don is proud on his products that he has made for the world, for Gods Glory! Just let the album stay! As a fan of Don Moen in Holland, this is notable to me since I have the songs from this album! Harma4J — Harma4J (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The result was keep. The main issue that brought this to AFD was a lack of coverage in mainstream reliable sources, and the consensus here is that those issues have been addressed to a level sufficient enough to meet the general notability requirements. Further improvements can be discussed per standard editorial processes. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 01:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This was nominated a couple of months back and closed as no consensus, but subsequent conversation determined that it was improper for the article's creator to be involved, since he is the organization's communications director, ie. is paid to promote the subject. He and the other users who advocated keeping the article were given a week to find sources; it's been more than a week.
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Non-notable bill: never got out of committee, no significant coverage in mainstream RS. Name gets a lot of hits, but most of those are about state-level amendments, and nearly all those that are actually about this bill are trivial (due either to the article being very short, or to a sentence or two of coverage in an article about something else, eg. [28], which is about the treaty). –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Sandstein 05:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reads like a vanity article. I am unable to find any independent, secondary sources that discuss this individual. VQuakr (talk) 04:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
-I am the author of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jponnoly (talk • contribs) 02:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I request closure of this deletion proposal, as it confuses the readers. Fr Paul Poovathingal is a pioneer and trail blazer, as a priest, a musician, music composer, classical vocalist, music researcher, educationist, pioneer of institutions dedicated to music and performing arts, a vocologist and above all a great humanist and philosopher. The world would want to know more about him. That's why I started this, in the hope that in due course, I could expand it. Whatever is written so far is supported by references and evidence. This deletion notice is a dampener. Unless you remove it, I am not going to proceed further in expanding the article. Jponnoly (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]
(Fr) Paul Poovathingal was already referred to under 'List of Carnatic singers' and also 'List of Indian Christians' before I started this article, indicating that he was already a 'noted' personality found mention in these lists. In these two lists, his name was marked in 'red' and displayed the message 'Page does not exist' (in Wikipedia) for him. So it was necessary to create the page. The references cited in the current article (marked for deletion) clearly indicate why he is a noted personality. The article is being revised and expanded with addition of more references and facts supported by evidence. Does anyone still feel that this should be deleted? Will the earlier objectors revise their 'delete' vote? (The nominator has already withdrawn his 'delete' vote. ```` 11:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC) Jponnoly (talk) 11:43, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. per WP:SNOW. The other "Dominant group" articles should be closely scrutinized and nominated if necessary and assuming this has not already been done. The WordsmithTalk to me 07:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a thing. Most of the text and references here are completely irrelevant, and those that actually do discuss "dominant group" and art are referring to the general definition of "dominant group," ie. the sociological definition, not to some definition specific to the field of art. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:20, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not for made up things --Σ talkcontribs 03:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This company does not appear to meet the notability guideline for companies at WP:CORP. The article claims (without sources) to have notable clients, but notability is not inherited. VQuakr (talk) 03:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this one gave me a headache. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.39.244 (talk)
The result was keep. The consensus here is that the event has received sufficient coverage in reliable sources to assert notability. I would note that AfD is not the place to try and change policy, the best course of action for that would be on the policy talk page or at the Village Pump. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 02:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not-notable. Just a few relevant hits and loads of copies. How rude it sounds: not deadly enough. Night of the Big Wind talk 03:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy deleted by Discospinster per G4. I have also salted the page. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 03:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable political group. They are only small and does not seem to have achieved anything. Author has a clear COI. Night of the Big Wind talk 03:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable film. No indications of meeting any of the criteria of notability. Basically an amateur film with no notable involvement by any notable people. Since the director's name on the film's website matches the article's author, likely conflict of interest and WP:SPAM as well. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No copyvio, but a complete copy of http://thomasrathnam.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_Rathnam_Wiki, including errors. This article is four days old, while the article on enwp is launched today (1 September). Even the "source" looks like copy and paste work from another, not identified page. Google Cache shows that this article was made by the subject himself on simpel-WP, so author here can be a sockpuppet of the subject to hide his selfpromo. Night of the Big Wind talk 02:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to 2011 England riots. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If this is supposed to be a biography, it breaches WP:BLP1E - we should not have articles about non-public figures who play minor roles in events. If this is supposed to be about the incident, it plainly fails to be notable as laid out in WP:EVENT. This is a flash in the pan news story. Our own article says that "She has reported feeling embarrassment at becoming an internet sensation" - we should not add to this. We are not a tabloid gossip sheet, this kind of topic is not suitable for us as an encyclopedia. Fences&Windows 02:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Timeline of 2011 England riots. Courcelles 23:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While Timeline of 2011 England riots is sensible, this timeline of the aftermath is open-ended and unnecessary. A timeline of reactions and repercussions does not help understanding of the events, rather it fragments what is better described in prose in the main article. The article reads merely as a poor summary of news headlines in the few days after the riots, breaching the advice of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM. I don't believe that there is anything here worth salvaging. Fences&Windows 02:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A rather promotional article from a tiny part of the Canadian Army. Written by the section responsible for "to help the Army connect with Canadians." No external sources, few hits on internet (<7000, including individual pictures) and six external links to their own website. Night of the Big Wind talk 02:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is an article about a non-notable politician. Both references are routine local news coverage. On top of that, the articles only mention him. Joe Chill (talk) 01:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No secondary sources for the opening having this name. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any coverage in reliable sources, not even trivial, much less significant. Thus this fails the GNG. Also fails WP:BAND as it has not charted or released any material on major labels - indeed, its two albums appear to be self-released, as this source seems to indicate that the band's guitarist works for the record label. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 23:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No particular indication of notability and numerous problems with the article itself. Prioryman (talk) 01:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. — Joseph Fox 18:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be a classic case of WP:BLP1E. Topher385 (talk) 01:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am unable to find significant coverage for this company. The company that bought over Wooster doesn't even have an article. Joe Chill (talk) 02:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This club falls into exactly the same category as those discussed at here,here,here, here,here,here, here, here, here, here and here. It plays at third teir of a provincial league in Ireland, the article lacks sources to pass WP:GNG. Mtking (edits) 03:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete without prejudice. Unsourced BLP. If any administrator disagrees with this close they have my permission to restore the article and reopen this discussion. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While the article makes out a borderline case for notability (still probably not notable, but it would be close) if all the claims present were adequately sourced, the article has no reliable sources, and I have been unable to locate any. The article therefor fails WP:BIO. Monty845 05:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A letter writing competition for primary-school students run by an Irish nonprofit which does not have its own article. Undoubtedly a noble cause, but does not meet the notability threshold. Contested proposed deletion. Neutralitytalk 05:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is a poorly sourced non-notable phobia; the potential list of phobias is infinite. Not every phobia is sufficiently notable to warrant an article of its own. FiachraByrne (talk) 10:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 00:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non notable local newspaper FiachraByrne (talk) 11:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article does not establish notability of topic FiachraByrne (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Subject fails WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR, with no third-party refs. Yoninah (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not seem notable, is unreferenced and his works are non-notable. ItsZippy (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Wiltshire Publications. Sandstein 06:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unclear notability because of lack of reliable secondary sources — Rod talk 12:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melksham Independent News and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Horse News, which are titles from the same publisher. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Courcelles 00:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non notable 2011 music album. No references. EL is for a commercial site (Sony Music Shop). FiachraByrne (talk) 12:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
An article "about" something called the "2011 BUSC". Article has no discernible content. It has no references. The subject is non-notable and does not contain encyclopedic content. FiachraByrne (talk) 13:05, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Wiltshire Publications. Courcelles 00:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable publication with small and unverified distribution figures. Suggest either deletion or redirect to Wiltshire Publications. Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frome Times and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Horse News, which are titles from the same publisher. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Wiltshire Publications. Courcelles 00:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Minor and non-notable publication with unverified distribution and no independent references. Suggest deletion and/or redirection to Wiltshire Publications Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frome Times and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melksham Independent News, which are titles from the same publisher. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. — Joseph Fox 18:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Disputed prod. BLP with no reliable sources and a weak claim to notability. Dweller (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Sandstein 06:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lacks "significant coverage in independent reliable sources" WP:GNG, WP:CORP - same reason as PROD; contested Chzz ► 21:25, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why the five sources that include the U.S. State department and WallStreet Journal are not considered reliable and independent. This discussion should be ended and the article re-added to Wikipedia
Keep Looks established as wp:notable. Not sure why it was nominated. North8000 (talk) 19:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Nobody here is quite certain that this article meets our inclusion requirements. As it concerns a living person, I'm erring on the side of caution and find a consensus to delete. Can be userfied for improvement and recreated if better coverage appears. Sandstein 06:11, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bio of non-notable Hollywood suit. Only one ever remotely solid source; long history of COI edits. Orange Mike | Talk 13:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Courcelles 00:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can't find significant coverage about the subject in RSs sufficient to meet WP:BIO/WP:GNG and no indication subject meets any other variant of WP:N. Novaseminary (talk) 00:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 00:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Appears to be a non-notable manga creator, fails WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. Finding sources is difficult in this case, as his material seems to be extreme verging on the obscene, so it's little surprise no one wants to admit to reading it. But I can't find any significant coverage of him in reliable sources beyond the trivial. Robofish (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Gautham Menon#Future ventures. Spartaz Humbug! 08:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The film is yet to be finalised. Also meets WP:CRYSTAL Commander (Ping Me) 08:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unreleased film is not notable. Eel Tours (talk) 17:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
01:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Notability, WP:Event. Only one source has been provided for the article and it is internal to the subject. No notability for this subject has been established, or even attempted. Falcadore (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because for the same reasons:[reply]
The result was delete. It is clearly established below that the community, at large, does not find that Duchesne meets any of our notability guidelines, due largely to a lack of sources written about him and a lack of citations of his academic work. The procedural keep opinions below, while given in good faith, are clearly not enough to overbalance the rest of the comments in favor of deletion, regardless of whether or not this nomination was made in good faith. lifebaka++ 02:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how any of the criteria in WP:ACADEMIC are satisfied. 1) There is no evidence that the subject has made any significant impact upon his discipline. 2) There is no evidence that the subject has received a prestigious award at either the national or the international levels. 3) There is no evidence that he has been elected to any prestigious scholarly societies. 4) This person clearly has not made any impact upon higher education. 5) The subject does not hold any distinguished titles or academic positions. 6) This subject has not held a "a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post" at any universty. 7) The subject clearly has not had any impact, let alone a substantial impact, outside of academia. 8) There is no evidence that the subject has been the editor of any journal. Google Scholar, while not a flawless citation index, shows that Duchesne's most cited work has only been cited 12 times. There are graduate students who have been cited more times than that. In addition, his "main work" was only published this year and has not been cited by anyone. Also, there is good reason to think the subject created this page himself. How could anyone possibly know that he received an award for his dissertation? There is no evidence that the subject meets the criteria of scholarly notability. Unless that evidence is produced, I therefore propose that it be deleted. BlueonGray (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party users have a right to be informed that User:BlueonGray is a single-purpose account who has been ever editing only this one article, invariably negatively. He is identical in name with one BlueonGray who actually 'debated' Duchesne this February on a Canadian site in a resentful manner: For the record, if anyone is turned off by Western civilization, it is because of the arrogance and tastelessness of its self-appointed representatives like Ricardo Duchesne. (Posted by Blue on Gray, Feb 12, 2011 5:28 PM). Nine days later Wikipedia's BlueonGray registered. Wikipedia's BlueonGray refuses to acknowledge whether he is the same person (see above). The whole Afd is, given its unsubstantiateness, a thinly-veiled case of WP:Battleground, namely Wikipedia is not a place to...import personal conflicts. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Contrary to what BlueonGray claims, I am currently counting over 30-35 separate citations (without duplications) by many of the most notable scholars in the field, including entire peer-reviewed articles by some of these leading figures exclusively devoted to Duchesne's theories. The question is is it necessary to cite them one by one here for people who are not that familiar with this field? I could do that, if need arises. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Academic requests for notability a "substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates". Both is the case for Duchesne as can be seen from below. I did a search for works only in English which shows that
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this is copied from my post at ANI, but I agreed to stop the dispute at ANI and bring the problem here, so this is not forumshopping. Gun Powder Ma has engaged in WP:PEACOCK/puffery on Duchesne's part, appearing to have a conflict of interest with him
I don't see any violation of WP:COI. Calling someones work "influential" isn't a COI William M. Connolley (talk) 07:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply] |
The entry on Ricardo Duchesne states that he is a historical sociologist. His Academic discipline is therefore Sociology. The particular branch in which he works is Historical sociology. The first criteria in WP:PROF is "significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed." There is no evidence that Duchense has made a significant impact on either the discipline of sociology or the sub-field of historical sociology. An example of a sociologist who has made a significant impact upon her discipline is Saskia Sassen, whose book The Global City has been cited over 4,000 times. An example of a historical sociologist who has made a significant impact in the sub-field of historical sociology is Charles Tilly, whose book Coercion, Capital, and European States has been cited 2,600 times. Duchense's most successful work to date is his essay, "Between sinocentrism and eurocentrism," which has been cited 12 times. I repeat: 12 times. Where is the evidence of Duchesne's significant impact upon his discipline? Debating people is not evidence of significant impact, since academia is all about debate.--BlueonGray (talk) 12:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two different reasons have been given for Duchense's extremely low number of citations (12 max for a single piece; 35 total):
In regards to 1), it was pointed out that other historical sociologists have published scholarly works that have been cited many thousands of times, so 1) isn't a good reason. In regards to 2), Gun Powder made an important point:
This is a point on which we can all agree: Duchesne is a relatively new scholar and therefore has not yet had the time to accumulate the citation statistics to qualify as having had any significant impact upon his discipline (whichever that may be). Perhaps he will in the future. But for now, 35 in total just doesn't cut it. My suggestion, then, is to delete the entry for Duchesne until he accumulates a substantial number of citations. I think we can all agree that biographical entries should be created for demonstrated scholarly impact, not speculative projections.--BlueonGray (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I realize the case for keeping this article has all but collapsed, but I want to settle one claim that has been repeated above ad nauseum: the claim that "Duchesne has been cited by most authorities" in the field of World History. The sheer audacity of this claim would be bad enough if it weren't for the number of times it's been repeated. Thus far, we have seen no compelling evidence for this claim. However, Oxford University Press has just published the The Oxford Handbook of World History. According to the book's description, it "presents thirty-three essays by leading historians in their respective fields." It provides "the best guide to current thinking in one of the most dynamic fields of historical scholarship." Fortunately, the Table of Contents, which consists of no less than 31 chapters, is provided for everyone to see. (Notice that it includes Patrick Manning, whom Duchesne "debated" in some online forum.) Okay, now two things are immediately obvious. First, Duchesne is conspicuously missing this volume. If he's such an important scholar, one wonders why he wasn't included. Second, going by Gun Powder's own bibliography above, not one of the contributors to this volume have cited Duchesne's work. I repeat: not one. It is now certain that Ricardo Duchesne has not debated "most" of the authorities in his field, let alone been cited by nearly all of them. I don't see any argument left for keeping this article. Not sure what else to say, other than Delete. Cheers, BlueonGray (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of energy is being wasted over whether to delete an adequate article about a modestly notable subject. The article is question is not slanderous or fawning. The text is clear, with adequate references to support it. The subject has a public presence.
If this and even less "important" articles are permitted to remain, Wikipedia will not run out of pages. Keeping all articles, even stubs, that meet Wikipedia's minimum standards causes no major harm to Wikipedia. On the contrary, I believe it benefits Wikipedia and the ever-expanding community of Wikipedia users.
Wikipedia becomes more important the more accurate information it contains. Hair-splitting about a subject's notability undermines the entire enterprise. Let's have more adequate articles on minor notables, not fewer. Posterity will thank you. --Calogera (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]
What we need is input from users who have actually edited in the field which RD covers. Since the argument that the scholars who debated RD are leaders in their field has still not been addressed after five days, I have notified per WP:Canvass (users who are known for expertise in the field) the top ten registered users of the main article on the subject, that is Great Divergence. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
At the bottom of the Google Scholar link you find an entry on Eurocentrism, Sinocentrism and World History: A Symposium (also here) which was specifically held for the purpose to discuss Duchesne's article "Between sinocentrism and eurocentrism: Debating Andre Gunder Frank's re-orient: Global economy in the Asian age", the one with the 12 citations. Participants are, inter alia, RB Wong and JA Goldstone, two of the other top world historians. This proves that RD complies to WP:ACADEMIC, namely that his research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I know people are tired of all this but it still needs mentioning that DÜNGÁNÈ, who has had created an attack page, holds a grudge against me. I can handle this, but that the AfD process is misused for personal motives, is another matter and sheds not a good light on WP. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 07:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is also clear that User:Gun Powder Ma is not being very forthcoming about something. S/he included three pieces of information about Duchesne that simply isn't publicly available:
The second two were included to build Duchesne's notability. User:Gun Powder Ma conspicuously refuses to say how s/he managed to obtain this information.--BlueonGray (talk) 04:06, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Back on topic. There is evidence that RD has made some impact even outside academia (point 7. of WP:Academics): he has published an article in January 2011 in the Canadian National Post, the leading center-conservative newspaper of Canada, with a daily circulation of 200,000. If he were not notable, why did the editorial staff of the National Post entrust him with a leading comment on a sensitive issue? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 07:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While it is true that Duchesne's main book The Uniqueness of Western Civilization has not yet been cited, this is small wonder considering that it was only launched in February this year. Most academic journals only appear biannual, so the first reviews will not appear until fall or winter.
However, even now the notability of his book can be still positively assessed from considering two aspects:
The result was no consensus. There's no prejudice for an early renomination, in case the article is not improved. Wifione Message 16:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No evidence of notability. None of the references is a reliable independent source, and most give very little coverage. (PROD contested without any reason being given.) JamesBWatson (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How notable is a season of the Cape Cod Baseball League? Not notable enough for a page, in my opinion. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Disputed PROD. Original reason for proposed deletion: Unable to verify the existence of this term. PROD removed by author without providing any additional information. Singularity42 (talk) 21:17, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another EU project where the author thinks that independent references are unnecessary. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
fails WP:N, all but two sources are primary from the developer, the other ones are a estate agent listing and public transport info. Unable to find independent WP:RS with no claims of notability as an internet search turned up mostly classified listings. The page was DEPRODed in 2009 with reason being that it "is one of the largest and famous buildings in Tseung Kwan O New Town in Hong Kong", with no further notable info since. Michaela den (talk) 10:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be a non-notable artist. He doesn't appear to meet any of the criteria of WP:CREATIVE, and I can't find much coverage of him in independent reliable sources. (There are several Google Books hits, but they seem to be pretty trivial mentions.) There are a few claims of notability here, but I don't think they add up to very much. Robofish (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 08:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The subject's book was reviewed in the Financial Times [65], but that's the only reliable source I can find with any coverage. Does not meet WP:AUTHOR, or WP:GNG's requirement of multiple independent reliable sources. January (talk) 11:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a book review is not coverage of the topic which is the person. And that is the one and only reference in the article. So, no indication of wp:notability. Also no specific even claims of notability in the article except authoring of the book. North8000 (talk) 11:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Wifione Message 16:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Known for one lawsuit that went nowhere. Bbb23 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Possible WP:COI User:Jehochman is extensively involved in this article if you care to peek through edit history, such as adding external links meant to create traffic to web page of Aaron Wall. He also happens to be the one to his photo as well. I think there is reasonable suspicion to say that he at least holds significant stake in this page. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 10:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantaloupe2 (talk • contribs)
Possible sources:
There are also multiple hits for Aaron Wall and SEObook in Google Books.
To start with one must be slightly familiar with the industry to recognize which sources are reliable. Search Marketing Standard, Fox Business, Search Engine Watch and Search Engine Land are all good sources. The others are possibly good. The existing article is well sourced and isn't causing any harm. If somebody had time (I don't at the moment), it would be possible to expand the article further. WP:TIND. Jehochman Talk 05:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Courcelles 09:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No indications of notability for this forum. No indications can be found of any significant press coverage of their meetings. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Wifione Message 16:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A film writer and director. Has done a 2-minute, 5-minute and 11-minute short films. Unable to find any reliable sources. Prod was contested. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]