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The result was Delete. WODUP 02:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kajabe can can[edit]

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Contested prod. Game which may by WP:MADEUP and seems un-notable. A number of mentions on Google, mostly from user-generated content sites. When YouTube and MySpace are excluded, less than 20 hits, none of which more than mention it in passing. No verifiable information. kateshortforbob 23:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Kajabe Can Can is mentioned on the Hume Lake wikipedia page. It is a real game that has been played by many high schoolers who have attended Hume Lake Christian Camps. It has been around for a very long time. I dont know what other evidence i can provide except the pictures on the Hume website (If you go to any Ponderosa week for Tuesday you should see some pictures) and the many sites that discuss its origin at Hume. Also in the "Can You?" video on the Ponderosa page of the Hume Lake website Can You? there is footage of this game being played. Also on this Chiang Mai site it talks about Hume Staff playing Kajabe Can Can with missionary kids in other countries. Putting on Camps for missionary kids outside The United States is something that Hume Lake Christian Camps has been doing for a long time. SyrupisSweet 03:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Before we get to evidence that it exists, there needs to be evidence that the subject is notable, which in general means that it has been written about by someone independent of the organisation, and published in a reliable source, ie a book, magazine or newspaper. The references you have provided do not provide this. Kevin 05:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Install (Unix)[edit]

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I don' t have a crystal ball, but I don't think this page will ever be more than the stub it is. non-encyclopedic topic. Delete Man It's So Loud In Here 23:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC) edit To clarify my point, I think one-sentence articles don't belong in wikipedia, so I nominate every one I randomly come across. I'm sure there are a million software guides that give more information on the install command. Man It's So Loud In Here 21:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The admin closed it as no consensus, but if you read the actual discussion, it's clear that I was the only one who wanted it deleted, and everybody else voted "automatically notable". See also Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(software). spazure (contribs) (review) 03:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brindleyplace tram stop[edit]

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There is no clear evidence that this proposed tram stop will actually be built. WP:CRYSTAL notes that events should be almost certain to take place. The 2 references from 2003 do not show this. Kevin 22:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The NCAA is surely a reliable and authoritative source on the question of whether ND State is a Division I or Division II school, and it says Division II. I'll do a temp undelete if someone wants to merge, but there isn't much there. Mackensen (talk) 22:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

North Dakota State Bison baseball[edit]

College baseball from a Division II program, fails WP:N. Merge somewhere or Delete Jaranda wat's sup 22:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. WjBscribe 01:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic shower[edit]

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Original research-laden article that lacks reliable sources or even an assertion of notability. EEMeltonIV 21:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wes Welcher[edit]

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Disputed prod. Junior hockey players with no other claim of notability. Fails WP:BIO, as well as the Ice hockey project's notability guidelines. See also discussion at WT:HOCKEY Also nominating:

No objections to recreating any of these articles should any of these players gain future notability, i.e.: playing in the NHL. Resolute 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed two, as separate AfD's were already created for those players. Resolute 21:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. WjBscribe 01:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart_Browning[edit]

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The only references I can find on Stuart are the 4 opinion pieces he has written, with two newspapers copying/publishing reprints and a couple of short videos which are essentially youtube quality productions. GaryLambda 18:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Browning's current notability seems to stem mostly from his complaints about the number of uninsured in America and his short videos about poor care in Canada by the Canadian health care system. If the movie Sicko didn't exist, Mr. Brownings opinions would be just more net blog stuff. Those opposed to a single payer system have been looking for an advocate of the private insurance business and found Mr. Stuart. My issue with Mr. Stuart, is that what he has actually done is a very small part in this. He articles have been copied by the noted references above but not by the mainstream media. Is a single issue person who finances some short videos which only appear on his own site justify notability? In addition the lack of other biographical data makes this article a candidate for deletion. I did find a dead web reference to a purchase of a home in the Miami area, but that's it. Trolling the google/groups page came up with only a few emails promoting his product and a few questions directed to the Oracle team for database access questions. No innovation, nor any unique insights. Ted Franks has become notable from a similar controversy, yet there is quite a bit more material which is independent of the healthcare discussion. GaryLambda 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not true that Browning is only noted for healthcare film work (though that would be enough to satisfy WP:BIO) -- 733 Ghits for "Stuart Browning" + Indoctrinate, his movie about education. THF 19:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No Game. I made an honest attempt to flesh out the article, without signing in, because I don't really care if I mark my edits or not. I did notice that [[User:THF] created the page but there was a dearth of actual information about Mr. Browning other than his production of the health care videos. If User:THF or someone else can find more things notable about Mr. Browning I'll gladly withdraw my request for deletion. But I couldn't as you can see from the number of edits, and the time intervals between them (spent researching) there isn't much available material. Therefore my request for deletion should be based on the content of the article. Please show that he meets the notability requirement, I've done my best to meet that standard and failed. GaryLambda 20:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this article was previous nominated for deletion. [[3]] and the nomination was removed by [[User::THF]] after a minimal addition and re-work. GaryLambda 20:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'll assume good faith that GaryLambda does not actually know the difference between a prod and an AFD, and thus made an honest mistake when he falsely said that the "article was previous nominated for deletion" and that I removed the notice. Lambda also doesn't explain his motives for arguing that the unmerged Uninsured in America article satisfied notability by itself and is now arguing that the merged article is no longer notable. THF 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the time I thought I would find more information about Mr. Browning and therefore thought that the deletion of his film page was premature. Now that I realize that the films are essentially home made videos, I agree that it should have been merged into the main page. However the current status of the page on the films is immaterial to whether there is sufficient information on the main page for it to remain. I have made an honest attempt to flesh it out with anything relevent to the life and times of Mr. Browning. The result is the current page, which I still contend is insufficient to remain on wikipedia. Apologies for the confusion in the previous comment. GaryLambda 22:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One other minor nit, in the sentence above, nowhere does the wording "ADF" or "prod" exist. The statement "proposed for deletion" can refer to either AFD, or "prod", as the effect is the same. The obvious difference is that with "prod" no discussion is required. But in both cases, the compliant is a lack of content. But that is a total side issue to whether current article can stand on its own. GaryLambda 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since nomination for deletion there have been no additions made to this article. It is as you say a coat rack article for the health care issues and not a biography of Stuart Browning, an otherwise unnotable person. (sorry forgot the sig... 207.171.180.101 21:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)) 207.171.180.101 21:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One Bad Day Syndrome[edit]

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Article on a phrase originating from Batman: The Killing Joke. Currently, the article is barely more than a restatement of that comic's plot, and calling it a "psychiatric disorder, similar to Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder" is original research. Even if the article is expanded to include other comic book villains, this article should not exist unless "One Bad Day Syndrome" is actually commonly-used comics terminology; a Google search on the phrase suggests it isn't. Enoktalk 21:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; if this had more use outside, I would possibly suggets a redirect to Batman: The Killing Joke, but as it stands, this is really a protologism. Veinor (talk to me) 21:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. It's just a fork of Batman: The Killing Joke. Sxeptomaniac 23:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Could be recreated after the album comes out and is supported by independent, reliable sources - assuming this is in fact the album title. MastCell Talk 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tomorrow Comes Fast[edit]

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Google results show nothing for this. Completely unsourced. Metros 20:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Locobot (talk) 02:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC) —Crazytales talk/desk 21:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Skin Drivers[edit]

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Aside from its lack of sources, categories, introduction, infobox or proper article formatting, this is a non-notable Duran Duran album track that hasn't even been released yet. Leaking to the internet is hardly out-of-the-ordinary anymore and that info can easily be placed in the album article. - eo 20:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Franklin Park, Boston. WjBscribe 01:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Long Crouch Woods[edit]

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Non-notable. This location is an unused corner of a public park that has fallen into disrepair MarkBul 20:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

United Socialist Front[edit]

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This political party seems to fail our notability guidelines, specifically those outlined at WP:ORG. The United Socialist Front claims to have over 3,800 members worldwide, but this cannot be verified. More importantly, from what I can tell the USF has received no coverage whatsoever in reliable secondary sources. A normal Google search for "United Socialist Front" has just over 1,000 hits, only a few of which relate to this organization, some from their web site. Google News has no hits, and a Lexis/Nexis search for the past five years for all types of publications--including blogs--for the phrase "United Socialist Front" comes up with exactly two hits, neither of which refer in any way to this organization. I'm happy to reconsider if someone can establish this group's notability, but otherwise based on our policies I think we need to delete. Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 20:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the People's Front of Judea is not-notable, but it's shameful we don't have a full article on the Judean People's Front.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 00:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Splitter! Delete - no verification of notability. Sheffield Steeltalkersstalkers 20:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As someone with firsthand knowledge of the workings of this organization I was suggested to create a wikipedia article by someone interested in the group. The wikipedia article contains verifiable truth and doesn't harm anyone having a bit of information on the internet such as that.(ImmortalTech 04:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Association Flipper[edit]

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Game made up by some friends on a football tournament last year. External links provide no information of substance. Google search provides only Wikipedia mirrors and little else. Only link to this page is the disambig page Flipper. Suspect non-notable. Delete. Roleplayer 19:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Bonfoey Gallery[edit]

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No evidence of notability provided; a quick Google search doesn't turn up any sources. Veinor (talk to me) 19:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted (CSD A1) -- Karada 22:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blu xpress[edit]

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One of several (I suspect) made-up airline articles created by this user. See also Ledenair and Air rouge listed below. Once again, no trace of this on Google (note, there is an italian airline called "Blu Express". No content in article other than infobox, once again with poor-quality logo. No record that it ever flew out of any of the listed airlines and I can personally guarantee that it never flew out of Belfast International. However, AFD rather than PROD to request other opinions. kateshortforbob 19:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Recreation is welcome once the film is released. Xoloz 13:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Paperboy (film)[edit]

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Article is for an alleged "future film"; I requested speedy as non-notable, as there are no IMDB or AMG listings and no relevant ghits. Was contested, and "sourced" with two links that are for a different film of the same name (n.b. there are three "notable" films with this name, from 1994, 1998, & 2005). Still no proof of existence, let alone notability. SkierRMH 19:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Most of the sites are in Dutch... There is a newsarticle about this film on the 'biggest news-site of Holland': Click
It says Paul Verhoeven hasn't contacted any actors yet, but he's almost got his €20,000,000 budget.
If you want to know more, you can always use babelfish on the article ;-)
Vinniebar 19:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your sources work for me. Thus I agree with 'keeping an article on this subject, as it can be adequately sourced. I don't know what the appropriate title will be. FrozenPurpleCube 20:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig note: There is already a disambiguation page Paperboy (disambiguation) that includes one film already. Would it be redundant to have two disambig pages for the same (minus the "the") word? Also, if this is made to a disambig page, the correct title would be either The Paperboy (films) or Paperboy (films). SkierRMH 01:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we can decide where to disambiguate in a lot of ways. Probably The Paperboy should at least redirect to the disambig page. FrozenPurpleCube 01:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see Crystal (1) applying, this event is notable, and even if it doesn't take place, may be notable anyway. FrozenPurpleCube 00:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Films notability is pretty clear on this, "Films which have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced shooting should not have their own articles."SkierRMH 01:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And the next sentence says "Until then discussion of the film may be included in articles about the film's subject material" which happens to be well, an existing book. Perhaps that book should have an article, and the content here merged there?FrozenPurpleCube 01:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I've found more info about the filming(-locations) of this film...
Why delete it if it's for sure this film will be produced? You can always edit the title later to put the release-year in it.
And for example; shooting of Azazel also didn't start yet ;-)
Vinniebar 14:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Initially closed as "no consensus". After discussion with another admin who was about to close the article simultaneously, close has been amended to "delete". MastCell Talk 22:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Airline Holding Companies[edit]

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If we really need this aticle, it could be a small section of holding companies. Article contains at least one copyrighted picture. Without references likely is WP:OR. No support for keeping the article on WikiProject Airlines. Also duplicates, in a very reduced form, material already contained in the articles on the US holding companies. We already have a category that covers the US holding companies so a list is not really needed especially if it simply duplicates material in other aricles. Vegaswikian 19:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I must say I have to disagree with you.

This article has a need for so many passengers and wikipedians seem to be confusing airline marketing brands with airlines.

We no longer no who we are actually flying upon any more and what company owns what. This article makes the information concise and could benefit from other people imput, for it is quite a large topic. For one person alone to cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.146 (talk) 23:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but this is clearly already covered in the airline articles and the holding company articles. Why do we need a partial list to cover in less detail what is already covered in articles? The category we currently have also simply lists the holding companies and can be expanded as needed. Wikipedia is not a travel guide where there might be more interest in travel related topics. Vegaswikian 23:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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This would have simplifed wikepedia if kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.148 (talk) 03:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted (CSD A1)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karada (talk • contribs)

Air rouge[edit]

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Associated with my AFD nomination of Ledenair, not a single result for airrouge toulouse or "air rouge" toulouse heathrow, no relevant results for "Air Rouge", no mention of this airline flying from these airports on their sites, website provided doesn't resolve, no significant mentions on google.fr. Last but not least, the article spells their address wrong, spelt "Bordeaux" wrong (before I corrected it) and has no content other than an infobox which includes a rather poor quality logo. kateshortforbob 19:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was early closing per WP:SNOWBALL, delete as apparent hoax. -- Karada 13:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ledenair[edit]

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No airline of this name flies from Heathrow or Although clever they are seeded comments all round the internet including entries in the romania wikGatwick, the website provided doesn't resolve, the only trace of a website is on this freewebs page. Mentions are scattered across the web, but nothing authoritative, and they frequently bear a variation of the "chief executive"'s name like this review. This page (WARNING:Attempts to load malware) mentions the chief exec and appears to be a site for people to design new airlines - I suspect this may be a project which hasn't gotten off the ground yet (sorry!) but I'd like other opinions (hence putting it here, rather than prodding) --kateshortforbob 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC) kateshortforbob 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrew by nominator with no suggestion for delete present. Non-admin closure. KTC 03:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Curie Metropolitan High School[edit]

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Delete Neutral WP:N not established. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. WjBscribe 01:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ning[edit]

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Does not meet WP:WEB inclusion criteria. No WP:RS to indicate notability. Only one review, which states the website is a flop, and the other is a trivial quote from one of the site's founders. Leuko 19:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I have no view either way, but the site relaunched in 2007 as a customizable social network 1 and I seem to remember it received more favourable coverage (although I'd have to check for sources). There could be more to write about, but on the other hand, it could just be another social network. --kateshortforbob 19:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BMI Chart (height 150 to 174 cm)[edit]

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Also nominating the following articles for the same reason.

BMI Chart (height 174 to 200 cm) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
BMI Chart (height 200 to 224 cm) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Delete. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. "Articles which are primarily comprised of statistical data may be better suited for inclusion in Wikisource." See previous AfD. --דניאל - Dantheman531 18:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Carioca 02:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Morgan Park High School[edit]

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Delete WP:N not established. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete under A7, non-remarkable band. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

HypeVercab[edit]

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Non-notable new band, it appears. Fails WP:MUSIC The Evil Spartan 18:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Source pertaining to HypeVercabs notability

Hypnotiq Truth 20:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Hypnotiq Truth[reply]

None of those appear to be independent reliable sources; one's a blog, I'm not sure that 8180 is notable, and the other two appear to be promotional. Please take a look at the music guidelines and the reliable sources guidelines and point out how this group meets notability based on those. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dave pfefferle[edit]

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NN minor-league baseball player Rackabello 18:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WinZix[edit]

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Un-notable compression software. Page seems more like an attack on the software. Even if the software is a virus, I could find no good sources for it, again seems to push the notability scale even as a virus. I removed some sources as most were from a forum. SpigotMap 18:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply: The problem is not that the software itself is a virus, the makers of that software try to fool as many people as possible to install their software so they can get advertising revenue through (hard to uninstall) adware. The proof here is that v1 of their file format did not compress anything. This wikipedia page is usefull to warn other people about this obviously bad piece of software, only aimed at easy money for the developers. The software has no added value for users at all. Sucker_pvn 23:06 30 August 2007

Comment, Wikipedia is not for warning people of malicious software. It's an encyclopedia consisting of notable articles. Can you assert the notability of the software? SpigotMap 21:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply 2: Wikipedia is an objective encyclopedia, and there is not one reference I find online praising the wonders of the .zix file format and the winzix program. Everybody is discouraging it's use, just like this article claims. It is an objective representation of what it stands for. The fact that the article describes the bad features of this software does not mean that it's intended as a cheap shot to discredit it, it's just the reality. Not agreeing with this notion does not advance this (still correct) article on wikipedia.Sucker_pvn 00:40 31 August 2007

Do you care to point me to a reliable source that says this? Other then virus reports, which don't make it notable, there's millions of viruses. SpigotMap 21:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply 3:
Again, ignore the virus reports. These are not relevant at all! Please stop using this virus reference as an argument.
"Once WinZix is installed on your computer, it can be rather difficult to completely remove, as uninstalling WinZix through your control panel will still leave the adware on your system. Our advice is to not install the WinZix software. If you know how to remove the adware, please let us know below." http://www.dotwhat.net/lang_eng/files_z/extension_zix/id_8674/
"Warning:: WinZix has been known to install spyware on computers and may not compress files. Therefore, using WinZix is not recommended and you install it at your own risk. If you receive a "compressed" ZIX file you are advised to warn the sender and ask them to resend the file in a more common format (for example ZIP or RAR archive file format)." http://www.file-extensions.org/zix-file-extension-winzix-compressed-archive-file
"WinZix is a potentially unwanted application that may download another programs or rogue security software on to the computer." http://www.precisesecurity.com/blogs/2007/07/13/winzix/
"Winzix is a potentially unwanted program that may download other programs on to the computer. It may track online habits." http://www.emsisoft.net/fr/malware/?Adware.Win32.Winzix
Sucker_pvn 01:20 31 August 2007 (located in Belgium, which explains the different timezone)

You still fail to assert the significance of this software. There is malware all over the internet. Where are the newslines, reviews by reliable critics, etc, that will show that this program caused a notable impact on the world? SpigotMap 22:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply 4:
The problem here is that this 'new' compression format is being used in a lot of p2p download networks (such as bittorrent), many users doing this are being vulnerable to this deceitfull practice. (Many of these users download illegal software/movies/music, but does that mean this wikipedia article does not have the right to exist?)
Are you saying that this winzix article is a lie? Because it urges people to be wary of it, this article needs to be deleted? Can you prove that the info mentioned in this winzix article is false?
I see no reason to delete this wikipedia article, since it objectively mentions the commotion about this 'revolutionary' new format.
If I didn't know better I would start to think you have some interest in keeping the commotion surrounding this file format hidden from the general public. If the article is completely wrong or totally useless I would agree to delete this article. This does not seem to be the case, so can you please leave the article as it is right now? Sucker_pvn 01:40 31 August 2007

You have STILL failed to reference how this software is "revolutionary". Wikipedia is not here to warn people about viruses. Please provide a source to assert the notability of this software. A source to show that it is indeed revolutionary and notable. The fact that it is used in P2P and potentially is a virus does not make it notable. Also, sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~, to stop sinebot from signing your posts.SpigotMap 22:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply 5:
I told you before to ditch the 'virus' remarks, as these are not relevant.
Who decides what information needs to be inserted into wikipedia and what does not? I can not give you a notable reference to the information in this article. Why do I need to?
Many users (see the history of the winzix page) felt a need to document the information regarding the winzix software and the .zix file. Is is not so that wikipedia lives from these contributions to gather as much information about various topics in the world? Why must this page be deleted, because you think nobody cares or is involved?
You have thus far not been able to discredit any information mentioned in the article, and yet you insist in getting the page removed. So what if it might not concern 98% of the population? Do I need to search for articles which are 100 times less popular/relevant/... ?
Or does wikipedia only allow revolutionary and/or notable information to be added? The article contains usefull information for people who run into the winzix software andd .zix files, if anybody has more positive reflections they can add those to the article (such as it is accustomed with the entire wikipedia philosophy), so I do not think deletion is necessairy.
Sucker_pvnSucker pvn 23:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to "Does Wikipedia only allow notable content to be added?" is infact, yes. Please see WP:NOTABLE for the guidelines. As far as who decides what goes in to wikipedia? The editors. Editors just like me and you, which is precisely why this AfD is here, so other editors can see the article and make a concensus. SpigotMap 23:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reply 6:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTABLE:
"Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media" => I gave you plenty of sources, and the article itself has some as well.
"A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." => I guess all those independent links I gave are good enough for you?
(I could go and try to give examples for all the details on the notable page, but I'm not interested in doing this right now.

Bottom line: The winzix software and .zix files do exist in the real world, information can be found on multiple sources.
Somebody might come into contact with .zix files or the software itself, they might 'google' it and find the wikipedia entry about it. It gives the person some usefull information. And there we have a reason to leave this page right where it is.
If the page would be deleted this user would find no information regarding this subject at all. I just did a google voor 'winzix' and I got 190.000 results. Therefore I see a reason to keep winzix as an article on wikipedia.

I believe that keeping this article is more beneficial for wikipedia (and the general public) than deleting it. Isn't wikipedia supposed to be covering everything usefull in the world that other people might want to find out about? (Even if the information about it seems to be negative?)

This seems to be a battle between us about this (even before this deletion page, which can be seen on the history page of the article), but an independent reviewer should aid us here and help with this discussion. This is going nowhere.
Sucker_pvn Sucker pvn 23:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you must have not even read WP:NOTABLE. I'm not going to read it to you word for word. It's not "Satisfy one guideline and it's okay". It's "Satisfy all guidelines, then it's notable". Ready WP:RS While you're at it as well. SpigotMap 01:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When I do a google search for 'winzix', the wikipedia page is the 4th link that's presented to me. (I'm located in Belgium so google also presents some local findings in dutch.) This means that a lot of other sites on the world link to this article, and so it seems the article is relevant to quite a lot of people. Therefore I would be dissapointed to see this article go. Sucker_pvn Sucker pvn 08:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that it actually means that. Google works in a more complex way, at least as far as it's ever been explained to me. Secondly, there are only - in raw numbers - 186000 pages which Google throws up when I type that word in, and a handful on the first couple of pages actually seem to be people meaning to say "Winzip" and just not looking carefully enough when they type, so there's probably a fair bit less that's actually being said about it. Thirdly, while Google hits are an interesting statistic to play with, are there any non-trivial mentions establishing notability? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vowel line[edit]

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(Note: I am a Preds fan) The "Vowel Line" was a cute media story during the 2001-02 season, but considering it only lasted for part of a season, was usually the second/third line, and the Preds finished 15th in the conference that season, this lacks any historical notability other than being mentioned as a footnote in the 2001-02 section on the Nashville Predators page. - Smashville 18:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete per A7. Xoloz 16:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Darkbattle[edit]

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No assertion of notability, possible A7. Previously deleted through PROD, contested, and restored. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. @pple complain 09:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hague Justice Portal[edit]

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Promotion for website. Ilse@ 17:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was castrate. DS 01:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Testicular akathisia[edit]

This article appears to be a hoax; the cited references I am able to access contain no reference to the subject, and the two major contributers to the article have made no other Wikipedia contributions. Besha 17:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment on the research: The University System of Maryland does have the first text listed, but I'd have to request it from another campus, which would probably take too long. Continuing... Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Found another 3, again at different campuses. I also located another text that's by one of the authors cited, but it's not cited in the article. Fortunately, it does happen to be where I am, so I can try to find it later today and see if it's got any mention. Probably not, but worth a shot. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Found no mention in the textbook. Unable to verify sources, delete as hoax. Hersfold (t/a/c) 20:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
CommentNice job running down the reference. Edison 06:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Verma[edit]

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unrecoverable nonsense. The only notable person by that name seems to be this guy, but the article is clearly not about him Lars T. 17:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Urla (slang)[edit]

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This article is original research and slight POV. As far as I know urla is Latvian ethnic slur, which simply stands for Russian, however recently some users of this term have tried to clasify charesterics of urla and part of this research has been published in wikipedia, and because this is derogatory term, and many contributors are users of this term (unfortunately they also are new to wikipedia and their additions tend to be vandalistic) this tends to be POV. Additionaly - on Latvian Wikipedia this article has been deleted ten times unecyclopedic -- Xil/talk 17:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • That seems that an extremely specific neologism. Why only people aged 17 to 30? Certainly, not WP:NPOV in the state it's in at the moment. It seems a bit like Chav, but that article is extremely well sourced and neutral. Delete barring reliable sources and more neutral re-write. --kateshortforbob 19:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In its present form, the article is sub-standard, POV, and lacking in sources. No reliable evidence is provided citing this derogatory slang term's use in the manner ascribed to it in the article, and thus appears to be in flagrant breach of WP:NOR. I sincerely doubt if a re-write will remedy this. Delete. — Zalktis 06:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Mohajer[edit]

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Non-notable person, apparent WP:Vanity Sliposlop 16:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect --Haemo 01:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kepple Disney[edit]

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Non-notable person. Notability is not inherited. This has gone through Afd (actually VfD) once, and the overwhelming consensus was delete. It was redirected to Elias Disney, but has since been unredirected and recreated. Corvus cornix 16:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. It isn't patent nonsense, but (among other things) it used Wikipedia to publish a "declaration of war", violating CSD A3 -- attempt to contact. Usually, with junk this worthless, some speedy justification can rightly be found in the CSD. Xoloz 16:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Martiniopolis[edit]

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Contested Prod. Unreferenced fictional country, invented by article creator. Wikipedia is not for something made up in school. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that it doesn't strictly meet the definitions of patent nonsense, but I'm not going to mind if there's a consensus to speedy it anyway. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image is now up for deletion as well. —Travistalk 20:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rangi Ya Giza[edit]

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Pretty straightforward case. An unnotable organisation that is a clear instance of what Wikipedia is not. Disputed prod so bringing to AfD. Eusebeus 15:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucid toolkit[edit]

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After performing a requested history merge on this content, I realized it probably doesn't belong on WP -- no real assertion of notability, no reliable sources. Delete. Xoloz 15:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus/keep, especially as the others have been kept. Cool Hand Luke 22:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of British Chinese people[edit]

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The original AfD on this list was improperly closed by a non-admin, a mistake which was brought to DRV. At the beginning of the DRV, an admin reversed the closure to "delete." The resulting DRV discussion overturned both closures in favor of a fresh AfD. The grounds for deletion are a failure of Wikipedia's guideline for lists, as this would be better served by a category. Under no circumstances should a non-admin close this debate. Xoloz 15:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the mistaken non-admin closure created this confusion -- that mistake, combined with eternal (and unresolved) tension between pro-listing and pro-categorization arguments, brought this to its current state. Unless a general consensus can be obtained regarding the application of lists vs. categories (WP has a guideline, but widely-divergent applications of it continue to proliferate), I don't think this will ever be a speedily resolvable question. Maybe the PROD process could be adapted for truly non-controversial "categorification"? Xoloz 16:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Category:British people of Chinese descent may in many cases violate Wikipedia:Overcategorization, which specifies that a category by ethnicity is only appropriate if "this has significant bearing on their careers." I went through similar with the List of Indian Women AfD (which I nominated on WP:NOT#DIR)--and the CfDs that followed its resolution. While WP:NOT#DIR seems to exclude this list, Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) might be interpreted to support it. (Under "List of People," it offers as an example, "'List of Elbonians' would include persons who are famous in any category and who belong to Elbonia." "Chinese Elbonians" is not a far stretch, even though it sounds like a loose association of people to me.) We've been trying to iron this out at On list guidelines. I hope some respondents here will join us. Especially if they can figure out what to do. :) After a flurry of activity, things have stagnated over there. --Moonriddengirl 19:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:African Americans says "This category includes articles on black people who were born in the United States who are of African descent". It does not mention that their ethnicity had any bearing on their careers. Kappa 20:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment True enough, but that doesn't mean that Category:British people of Chinese descent could not be challenged at CfD and eliminated, which undoes the work of categorizing the people in this list. I didn't write the policy; I'm pointing it out. The guideline makes specific reference to "German Americans" in its discussion of ethnicity and categories. --Moonriddengirl 20:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Um isn't that guideline refering to Category:German-American sportspeople not Category:German Americans?Kappa 20:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the example given. The policy says "Likewise, people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their careers." Do you think I'm interpreting it too narrowly to read that to mean that categories by ethnicity or religion are disallowed when career is not a factor? --Moonriddengirl 20:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's talking about putting ethnicity (or sexuality) and career in one category, as the examples show: Secular Jewish philosophers, LGBT murderers, German-American sportspeople. That's what they mean by "group-subject subcategories". It needs to be clarified. Kappa 21:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Chalk that up to one more thing that needs clarification, then. :) --Moonriddengirl 21:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article was renominated as a result of a DRV, stemming from a defective prior close. Normally, wiki-etiquette disallows repeated AfD nominations within a short span of time. Although it is not uncommon for content kept as a result of "no consensus" closures to see several AfD nominations over longer periods of time, eventually, community norms prevent new AfDs from taking hold. In the most extreme cases, discussions at AN/I have prohibited further AfD listings for the most contentious articles. Xoloz 23:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From reading the two AfDs, I notice very little shift of opinions from some of the participants. So in the end it could boil down to who have more time to invest in the process rather than which sides have more support: if someone repeatedly delete or revert the article, I fear that at some point, some of the participants may not have the time and energy to carry on the extended and time-consuming process. I am a newbie here, I clearly find the AfD process very frustrating. Is there any process to safegaurd articles being deleted by mistake when the supporters happens to be "on holiday"? The case seems to be worse in articles like this one when the subject might be notable, but because it is of minority concern, it might not get enough people to come back and re-state their case. Or indeed even when there are materials to support the notablity of the article, they might not have been systmatically filed on internet for verification and making it appearing to be non-note-worthy. Chineseartlover 05:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion decisions are able to be appealed to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Notability may be proved by paper sources, as well as internet ones. Wikipedians are sensitive to minority concerns, generally speaking, but it is possible that, if an article has so very few supporters that "vacations" derail it, the article may not belong on Wikipedia. Xoloz 15:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine an article on some obscure study of a rare animal, I think it would be important for Wikipedia to contain such article if an expert would cite the information and write it up. I fear such expert might not have the time to defend an AfD. Chineseartlover 23:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Not to keep flogging the horse, but I hope that more people will come join in on the discussion on list policy at On list guidelines. It needs fresh input. --Moonriddengirl 12:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 03:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(X)HTML[edit]

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Delete per WP:NOT#INFO WP:WINAD. Non-necessary disambiguation page that will surely never be expanded; the content already appears in the two lone WP articles referenced herein. dr.ef.tymac 14:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slaps forhead Doh. Misread the nom. However, I still do not believe the page should be deleted. Which page would (X)HTML redirect to? By definition, it cannot only redirect to one of them. i said 02:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect here would seem more than adequate, as the last sentence in the paragraph seems to sum it up completely. (I assume you meant it *can* only redirect to one of them). dr.ef.tymac 11:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Add-on Comment: I am still at a loss for how "(X)HTML" could be considered an important term by itself. If anyone has substantiation to support its importance, please provide some.
It doesn't appear to have any standardized usage. It looks like some technically proficient people use it sometimes, just to save keystrokes. "(X)HTML" is synonymous with "XHTML and HTML", and the latter usage is less confusing to non-technical people, and also probably more consistent with WP:MOS.
Having a separate article on (X)HTML seems about as useful as having a separate article on (wo)man, (i.e., not useful at all, and in fact potentially confusing to our general-audience readers). dr.ef.tymac 11:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Wukong in popular culture[edit]

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Delete - yet another directory of loosely associated pieces of trivia that were split off of a main article instead of just being deleted, flavored with an unhealthy dose of original research. Seeks to capture every appearance of this entity, or a character that resembles the entity in the unsourced opinion of the random editor who spotted it, or every character who wears a hat or carries a stick that looks like the one that the entity wears or carries, in a list that tells the reader nothing abut the character, nothing about the fiction from which the trivial references are drawn, nothing about their relationship to each other (since there is none) and nothing about the real world. Otto4711 14:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • You know, at the risk of becoming less-than-civil, I am getting pretty fucking tired of these sniffy little "I don't try to delete things I don't approve of, I just leave them alone" asides in any number of your AFD comments. You don't have the first damn idea what interests me and what doesn't, and that goes for pretty much everyone else whom your comments encompass. Your assumption that we don't get the notion that how characters are used in creative works is important is nothing more than an insult. Who the hell are you to assume what I think about anything "as a matter of principle"? Have I said that I consider how characters are used in fiction to be unimportant? In fact, I have in several AFDs argued in favor of keeping articles that are actually about the use of a character or story outside the original. The problem with these articles is not that they are about the use of characters in creative works. The problem with these articles is that they are not about the use of characters in creative works. Otto4711 17:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DGG's comment may have been a presumptuous generalization, but it avoided personal attack. Can this reply be either moved to a User talk page or (preferably) rephrased per WP:CIVIL? There may be a good argument in there but it is discredited by tone. / edg ☺ ★ 07:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Questionas pointed out in a number of other article discussions, having a common theme, or making use of a common character is a close association. could you explain why you think is "loose" ? To me, a loose association would be a list of list of items have numerals in their name (that was an actual list, appropriately deleted at Afd; I agree with the guideline against what are truly loosely associated items.) DGG (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The mere presence of a character does not by definition create a strong association between the various items in which that character appears. Otto4711 17:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. @pple complain 09:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phex[edit]

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This is a contested PROD. Grounds for PRODing and AfDing are a lack of reliable sources, and an advertorial tone. Xoloz 14:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the text is not well authored. However, that doesn't qualify an article for deletion. Many outdated gnutella clients have wiki pages. It seems rather arbitrary that a functioning client of gnutella would be deleted before all of these defunct clients. Specifically, if this article is deleted, then the majority of all articles referenced in Category:Gnutella should also be removed as they are even less noteworthy. Bpringlemeir 00:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I redirected FURI to Phex as well. Bpringlemeir 03:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. However, that wasn't my argument. I understand the motive for removal, given the entries previous poor state (and still less than perfect). My argument is simply that there are worse (less noteworthy) clients with wiki entries. It seems capricious to remove Phex when there are many obsolete stubs. I guess I am naive in thinking that the worst should go first. I would absolutely agree that historical gnutella clients should be amalgamated/merged to a single entry. Perhaps I can have help with this? Should it be a new wiki or a section in the Gnutella wiki? Bpringlemeir 13:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Xoloz 13:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Towamencin Township Strategic Plan[edit]

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This article was a collaborative effort of a committee over a five month period. The source was their collective minds and hearts. If you read the article, you will find that those committee members are listed in the article. They are the source, as the article states; “The Board of Supervisors expresses their appreciation and thanks to the residents who volunteered their time and effort in the development of this plan. The fact that there is no existing Five-Year Strategic Plan Template for a Pennsylvania township made the task that much more challenging.” As they hunted around looking for examples to follow little to none was found; especially here on Wikipedia. The web is full of verbiage as to what a strategic plan can be, but no examples of what it should be for a second class Pennsylvania township. It is the hope that this article may serve as that template for other townships struggling to develop their own strategic plan, and that it will become a reference article to Wikipedia's article "Strategic Planning". To have a proper example, they need "the" proper example. There is no expectation that it will be copied; only emulated. All the source and reference information can be found in the Executive Summary. As for the tone and style of this article, it "exists" as it is, and it is what it is. Thank you.

Ailde 11:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please do not use personal attacks such as "delete freaks". Also, if you would like to explain how my comments are not true, that would be more constructive than the blunt accusation. I understand the "significance" of the plan for other townships, but this is not relevant to its standing as a Wikipedia article. Leebo T/C 03:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ailde 10:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ailde, can you at least let us know if you understand the reasons why this isn't encyclopedia material? We have policies about no original research and verifiability. Have you read those? The article violates both. Throughout this process, you haven't tried to address any of those problems, instead accusing the users and myself of banding against you. Leebo T/C 13:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ailde 14:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Titanic: The Ride[edit]

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Someone's "ride" from a home roller-coaster simulator. Not even CLOSE to notable. PROD tag added, but removed without comment by creator, who has the identical content on his user page. Calton | Talk 14:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:INTERESTING is not a reason to keep an article. There are two WalMarts two miles apart on the same street where I live...that's interesting, but it doesn't warrant a WP article. Smashville 17:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Carioca 00:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Sodje[edit]

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Non-notable footballer. Has never played in a professional league. Mattythewhite 13:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He's 32 and he's never played in a fully-professional league? —Lesfer (t/c/@) 15:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem. His article was probably only created as he's one of the "Sodje brothers". Mattythewhite 15:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. WjBscribe 01:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ericsson R310s[edit]

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Article on a common commercial product containing no claim of notability. Prod was contested, insisting that it's only "one of three designs", but that claim does not appear in the article and is not verifiable. This sparse article reviews features of the phone and does not explain a particularly innovative design, a detailed history of the device, or its influence on the market or industry. A notable product has all of these aspects. Mikeblas 13:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. —Crazytales talk/desk 21:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second Lady of the United States[edit]

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Okay, I'm a bit stumped here. This article presents "Second Lady of the United States" as some sort of widely used term, and the links from biographical articles use it in that context as if it was a widely accepted title (e.g. Barbara Bush). But I think this is misleading to readers, as the only basis for this term having any more merit than "Wife of the Vice President" or other alternatives is a Yahoo web poll conducted at some point. I don't think that really justifies an attempt at formalizing this title along the lines of First Lady. Indeed, not much on the web about this term, many seem to be discussing whether it's a real term, making a joke about the acronym (along the lines of SCOTUS, etc.) or seem to have been mislead by Wikipedia into thinking this term is more common than it really is. So what to do? I'm not really sure. Maybe delete this, maybe somehow merge the list into a list of vice presidents. But the article is relatively old so I thought I'd give it a chance for a full discussion. W.marsh 13:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coastal Sound Music Academy[edit]

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this page was speedied, then reduced to a PROD, but I think there should be some discussion and a few more sets of eyes before the decision is made Ardent†alk∈ 12:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It looks like consensus is leaning towards deletion, as a note to the admin that closes the debate, the article Sing Me A Song should follow quickly on its heels as a speedy deletion under section 1.2 article 7 Ardent†alk∈ 03:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally the admin who closes this debate as delete should speedy delete the fair use image associated with this (and only this) article at Image:CSMA_logo.jpg under item 5 of section 1.4 of the policy. Ardent†alk∈ 06:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exchange@PAM[edit]

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Queried speedy delete for db-spam. Anthony Appleyard 12:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete Note: she's only notable for being a co-author of a book for which we don't have an article, if we had such an article a redirect would probably have been a good solution, but there was no target here. Carlossuarez46 04:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Olbrechts-Tyteca[edit]

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Apparently non-notable, quite few Google hits that aren't just related to the contents of the book (which may be notable even if Lucy / Lucie isn't) Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 12:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep but probably clean-up. --Haemo 18:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Harry Potter parodies[edit]

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Poorly sourced and trivial list. This is an indiscriminate list. Many of the parodies aren't very notable. RobJ1981 11:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Come up with an objective criterion to judge notability in this case and I'll remove any that don't fit it. Serendipodous 12:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That wont fix the whole problem. The article is still poorly sourced and trivial. It doesn't show notability either. Being a parody of a popular subject doesn't justify the list. If that was the case: we would have 1000000 parody lists here: one for each popular book, movie and TV series. RobJ1981 12:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of similar lists on Wikipedia, from Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc to Cultural references in The Cantos; from HIV-positive people to Mammals in Korea; from Vegetable oils to Important operas (how one determines which qualify as "important" I'm not sure). There's a Timline for Narnia and a List of English words containing Q not followed by U. All those lists are considered good enough to be featured, yet they all seem pretty random and trivial to me. You may ask why Wikipedia needs a list of Harry Potter parodies, but you could equally ask why it needs a list of Joan of Arc statues or Korean mammals. It's all pretty subjective, and simply not liking the subject matter is not good enough grounds for deletion. Serendipodous 12:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I never once said anything to the effect of "I hate the article, so it needs to be deleted" in my nomination statement. Read up on policies. Let's wait and see what OTHER people have to say. I see no reason why you should be flooding the discussion (like you did in the first nomination of this). RobJ1981 12:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict): WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not an argument correct, just be careful WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't either. KTC 12:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Can we discuss this further? "Unencyclopedic" is an umbrella term for every possible problem an article can have, isn't it? By saying "Delete - unencyclopedic", the only thing you seem to mean is "This shouldn't be in this encyclopedia because this shouldn't be in this encyclopedia." We got that, can you go into more detail? --Kizor 23:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the same time, it needs to be said that the nominator has had no previous involvement, and I'm not accusing him personally of anything more than indiscretion. --Kizor 03:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • God, do I sound like a politician? --Kizor 03:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been two days since anyone responded. Can we bring this to a conclusion please? Serendipodous 11:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 02:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feed Us[edit]

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Track from unreleased album, only mentioned in passing in the references provided. Alksub 02:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Big Fish Games. John Vandenberg 05:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My Big Fish Games[edit]

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Advertisement for a section of a pay-to-play game site, Big Fish Games. Italiavivi 19:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep--Kubigula (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fridrich Method[edit]

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Majority of article is written as a WP:NOT#how-to guide. Oli Filth 11:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect and merge relevant material to List of GURPS books. --Haemo 18:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GURPS Blood Types[edit]

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Book of gaming instructions that fails WP:BK or WP:FICTION as only claim to notability is that it is supplement for a 1995 role playing book. The article content does not provide context or discussion of the books merit, but seems to be a platform for of a WP:POV fork from Vampire.Links to publisher, related books fail to compensate for lack of notable content. Gavin Collins 11:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually, this is the first time we are discussing this item. The previous nomination included, all together, many books of vastly diverse notability. --Goochelaar 14:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, to me, the sad thing is, I doubt any of us would have objected to just putting a #REDIRECT on the page and not bothering with the discussion. If there's any real concern about what to redirect and not, it'd be best done by asking on List of GURPS books what people thought any exceptions should be. Possibly with invites to folks who'd already participated in the discussion. But instead, we get these AFD's that are pretty much all going the same way. FrozenPurpleCube 15:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Sorry, I just noticed the "2nd nom" and assumed. Mass noms have their own issues; they always seem to lead to wild accusations ("you're trying to censor all Moképon information because you don't like it!") and I think we need a better procedure for them. Eleland 15:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 02:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Love the Dough[edit]

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Does not fulfil the notability guidelines. The song was not a single, and did not win any awards or get covered by any other artists, and the only notable thing about it is that it was sung by The Notorious B.I.G. Thaurisiltc 11:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Tyrenius 01:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Genderfuck[edit]

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I am nominating this article for deletion because it is patent nonsense. It is a repetition of "genderqueer" with a profanity used simply for shock value. If it is a valid term, it is not sufficiently notable to be included in an encyclopaedia; and WP is not a dictionary. The article is unsourced and no evidence is provided for the claims made. 87.127.44.154 10:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll remove them for now. Even if it's not BLP-violating, it's certainly OR without citations, and as a side note, I've just discovered not to Google "genderfuck" at work. :) --Dreaded Walrus t c 13:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. WP:NEO - We are not a dictionary. "words and terms that have recently been coined, generally do not appear in any dictionary, but may be used widely or within certain communities."
  2. WP:NEO is clear on reliable sources for neologisms; a book on How I Became Queer and one non-peer reviewed theory do not constitute reliable sources
  3. WP:OR - as noted by others, this is original research.
/Blaxthos 15:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies I got into a bit of a muddle at the end of my comment. Basically I think Genderfuck needs to be expanded with sources now or to be brought into a parent article until there are enough sources to expand beyond a stub. But there is no reason to delete it--Cailil talk 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I fail to see how my gender expression is teaching people to swear. Kolindigo 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - you all know that IPs can't do an AfD, right? This should be closed. --David Shankbone 18:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was nominated by Dreaded Walrus, not an IP. --Pixelface 18:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It was nominated by me on behalf of the IP. All I did was create the page. If IPs aren't allowed to nominate articles for deletion, then accept my apologies, as I was not aware of such a rule. --Dreaded Walrus t c 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, you did the right thing. This is a procedural nomination--they happen all the time. IPs simply cannot create new pages so, by default, can't properly AfD nom an article, but they can participate in every other part of the deletion process as any non-admin editor. — Scientizzle 21:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - We get it. There's no need to keep mocking it. Kolindigo 21:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I could stand to hear a little more. Mainly because it's humourous, you silly sausage Kolindigo. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In addition to the response by the previous author, here's a list of books that mentions this term.
I in fact agree that there is a difference between Genderqueer and Genderfuck. My position is this: Gender bending and genderfuck cover a similar area and maybe one topic. Take the two lead lines, which are pretty accurate summaries of the academic material on the terms: Genderfuck is a self-conscious effort to "fuck with" or play with traditional notions of gender identity, gender roles, and gender presentation and Gender bender is an informal term used to refer to a person who actively transgresses, or "bends," expected gender roles. There is a difference but genderfuck & gender bending are very very similar areas. I agree that genderqueer is something totally different but these two are not so different. Certainly in Europe Gender bending is the term that's used, genderfucking has yet to be established critically over here. I can only see the two terms benefitting from the merger (but then I am a mergist)--Cailil talk 23:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I am the user who originally proposed this as an AFD. Thank you to Dreaded Walrus for completing the process. I hope my original thoughts, quoted at the top by Dreaded Walrus, count's as a delete - otherwise please count this as a delete. Reading through the comments on here I now realise my original thinking was wrong. However, while coming to the conclusion that my reasoning was wrong, my view that this should be deleted remains. The reason I beleived Genderfuck and Genderqueer were the same is because the article isn't sufficiently clear as to what it means. It is written in a pseudo-academic language which would confuse most readers who were not already familiar with LGBT/Gender issues. It also contained a list (which has been removed as a result of this discussion) of "Famous Genderfuckers" - including those who had articles on WP deleted because they were not notable. The phrase may be well known in a minority community; but it isn't a widespread community language. How can it be? It can't be used on mainstream television or radio programmes and most newspapers wouldn't use it other than in specific features looking at LGBT issues - so the phrase has no chance of moving into mainstream language. So it will remain a minority community phrase - and looking at the comments above and the edit history of the article, it is clear that the minority community is itself in somewhat of a confused position when asked for a straightforward definition of what it is. I am also concerned about the inclusion (see above) of this discussion on an LGBT/Gender Issues section of Wikipedia. I have seen other AFD discussions cross-referenced on specialist project group areas; but they merely list the articles for discussion and send people here. The LGBT/Gender Issues project goes further and re-creates an editable discussion of all tagged articles in a separate place. Surely that should not be allowed. This is the place for AFD discussions and all editors who wish to take part can do so here. Tagging articles on a specific subject so that editors can make their views known in another place is surely using WP to create a form of meatpuppet? I know there is a lot of "votes" here for "keep" - but AFD is not a numerical vote. I hope the confusion shown by "keep" advocates as to the meaning of Genderfuck and the arguments put forward by those in favour of deletion will enable the administrator to come to a "delete" decision.

87.127.44.154 06:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • By that logic, though, the article for fuck should be deleted - since it can't be used on television. The standards for inclusion in Wikipedia are not, as you suggest, that the concept be well-known and often-used in mainstream culture. Indeed, check out concepts like semiotics or the theory of post-humanism. Neither of these enjoys what might be called mainstream use...I can't walk up to someone on the street and say "I'd like to discuss the theory of post-humanism with you, but am afraid that we may have difficulty because of the semiotics involved" and expect them to know what I'm talking about. So are they concepts that we should not include here, for lack of mainstream use? Quite the opposite - we include them in the encyclopedia because if someone walks up to you on the street and says those things, you can look them up here! We're cataloging human knowledge (even if that knowledge is primarily within a minority community), not television. As to the confusion about the meaning of the term, I'm afraid I don't give that argument much weight. If the article is unclear on certain points, it should be improved. If the concept itself is unsettled, such fact should be reported on. Neither suggests deletion. --TheOtherBob 16:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional Comment I forgot to add that a lot is spoken of "academic sources" and "academic publications" in this debate. What are these academic publications? The name is given but no link - are they merely student dissertations? If so I wonder how this constitutes reliable independent sources. The links given don't amount to much if you try to follow them to determine the validity of the source. 87.127.44.154 06:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please see the article and the article. I'm not sure what you're looking for there -- links to internet versions of the sources? If so, someone may be able to help -- but Google and the library are your friends. As to your guess that they might be student dissertations, that does not seem correct. Just to go in order, Dennis Altman is a professor at La Trobe Univ. in Australia, Peter Coviello is a professor at Bowdoin, and Elisa Glick is a professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia. (I'm not going to go all the way down the list, but you get the point.)--TheOtherBob 16:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Personal Experience as a primary source

1. I personally used this term, and provided many "genderfuck" experiences as a club / disco dancer in the early 1990's. We would, for example, intentionally go out in leather muscle wear, and full face drag makeup. the express purpose was to assault the senses of those onlookers. Another would be for example, comabt fatigues, weapons and red high heels.... etc... this was intentional as a way of not showing our "personal orientation" but as a method of performance art, showmanship and "shock value" for the various clubs.

2. Would the term "clusterfuck" not be allowed as slang? I think anyone would agree that this is a true term and definable statement. As would many other terms such as "SNAFU" "JAFO" and others. --CodySteed 02:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. If material from the article would be useful in other articles, I can provide a copy of the deleted article for cannibalization. MastCell Talk 22:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FreeWorlds[edit]

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Article about a mod. -- i.e. self-published vanity fiction -- with no assertion of notability and no reliable sources. EEMeltonIV 10:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you can provide reliable secondary sources to assert notability, then it may be better as a stub rather than a merge. I searched but couldn't find any. —gorgan_almighty 11:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a more thorough search, neither can I (outside of blogs and forums). This is clearly not enough for WP:ATT. Although I'm personally sympathetic to the inherent difficulties that prevent this sort of article from ever clearing the notability bar, those are the policies we have to work to.... oh well ;) EyeSereneTALK 12:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - If it is so noteworthy, where are the third-party sources covering such a noteworthy project? Your rationale for keeping the content is itself original research. --EEMeltonIV 22:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete The tipping point is that the notability in inextricably linked to the iceman - so little notable is Erika that no one could come up with a birth date or even year for her. There is no evidence of any coverage of these people other than as the unintentional discoverers of the ice man. A redirect from each of these names to the ice man article is OK (I'll create it presently) but it is unlikely that anyone is going to search on this precise term. Carlossuarez46 04:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Helmut and Erika Simon[edit]

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Only notable thing they did was discover the remains of Oetzi, a Copper Age mummy. Besides that, nothing. Jmlk17 09:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Found a news article linked from Ötzi the Iceman. --slakr(talk) 10:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarify "Helmut and Erika Simon" isn't itself a plausible search term, but GFDL requires the redirect if a merge takes place. Helmut Simon and Erika Simon both are redirects here, and would be plausible search terms. Caveat: both names are wikilinked from other articles, and I don't believe those uses are these particular people. --Dhartung | Talk 00:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I have nothing against a merge, but as far as I can see the relevant information is already in the Ötzi the Iceman article. —gorgan_almighty 13:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sankeit people[edit]

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The name of the article is a typo for the correct article :Sanketi people. It is orphaned because of this wrong title. Rather than redirecting it to the correct article, it is better to delete it -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits09:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - A redirect is a good option if the article which has been redirected is an alternate name (or closely resembles) the actual name. Here we have a typo and any one in search of Sanketi people, will either search for Sanketi or Sankethi, and not Sankeit. A delete would be the right option - ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits10:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My first thought was that, since Google does return a few hits for 'Sankeit', it indicates this word might be searched on. However, taking a closer look it is obvious that these do not relate to the Sanketi people, so I'll happily withdraw the redirect suggestion. Delete it is ;) EyeSereneTALK 10:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete ˉˉanetode╦╩ 23:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Addis[edit]

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Contested speedy asserting notability. The subject of the article is non-notable per WP:BIO. He set light to an effigy at a festival and was arrested for arson. That's it, that's all he did. The articles creator believes that as it appeared in Reuters it makes the subject de facto notable. I disagree. The article's creator requested a vote, hence the AFD WebHamster 09:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment If it is a huge turning point, its ramifications can be described at the Burning Man article. There's still nothing to say about Addis personally, as opposed to the festival, other than that he once (allegedly) set fire to an effigy, so unless he does something else noteworthy, this article can never hope to grow beyond a stub. Iain99 19:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of GURPS books as content has been merged there. WjBscribe 02:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GURPS Grimoire[edit]

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Book of gaming instructions that fails notability guidlines WP:BK or WP:FICTION, as only claim to notability is that it is "useful". Its content does not provide context or discussion of the books merit, and links to publisher, related books and inclusion of book cover do not justify the creation of a standalone article from an independent viewpoint. GURPS has an enthusiastic following, but lack of article content suggests this book does not. --Gavin Collins 09:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Globus Cassus[edit]

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This article survived a previous AfD a while ago on the basis of what are, as far as I can see, flawed arguments. It claims notability on the basis of the fact that it was exhibited at the Venice Biennale; however, this is not a valid argument as per WP:N notability is not inherited. It only gets 644 Google hits, most of which are Wikipedia, its mirrors, the occasional MySpace blog, book catalogues and a small number of fairly specialised news sites from around the time of the Biennale. The latter do not confer notability either (notability is enduring) -- Wikinews is more appropriate for topics such as this. The Globus Cassus website itself is a wiki which at times has been heavily spammed and poorly maintained; the Amazon.com sales rank for the book is currently 1,581,876. — jammycakes (t)(c) 07:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The rapidly increasing population notice that their planet will soon be too small. The Earth is dismantled to provide building material. This is taken away to create Globus Cassus, a new, much bigger habitat, thought out from scratch. With essays by Boris Groys, Claude Lichtenstein and Michael Stauffer. The Swiss contribution to the international Biennale of Architecture 2004 in Venice. Fosnez 13:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reference that you give is an entry in a sales catalogue, which per WP:BOOKS is quite clearly trivial. Reference to policy has always been important: AfD discussions are not a vote but an attempt to determine to what extent an article's presence in Wikipedia conforms to policy. I have raised another AfD precisely because not a single argument in the previous AfD raised any objective evidence whatsoever to support the claims that Globus Cassus is notable in its own right -- i.e. the subject of non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources. It is most likely that this was an oversight or that nobody thought to address the issue at the time -- well, I am addressing it now; without such evidence, it can only be assumed to be non-notable, unreferenced, original research. — jammycakes (t)(c) 13:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with jammycakes here -- the only notability you are asserting is from a sales catalogue -- hardly a reliable source (much less coverage in multiple secondary sources). As requested previously, can we keep this AFD policy-centric? /Blaxthos 14:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First: "obscure but notable" is an oxymoron.
Secondly: the Venice Biennale is the only serious claim that Globus Cassus has to notability, and by its very nature, it is transitory. WP:N requires substantial coverage by multiple sources that are independent of each other and the subject. Notability must also be enduring, which is why I raised concerns that the only Google hits to serious press articles (and these seem very thin on the ground before the search results descend into spammy gibberish) are from specialised publications at around the time of the Biennale.
I do not know much about the best designed books from around the world award, but it needs to be established that it was both notable and independent of the Biennale; even then, it is dubious whether this is sufficient to carry the day.
Thirdly, your statement about nothing googleable academically is very difficult to swallow: any non-trivial coverage from the academic community will show up in Google Scholar, as at least the abstracts for every published paper in the past ten years or more are available online. Google Scholar returns only one result.
Fourthly, while WP:BK does indicate that the publisher may be a factor in notability criteria for academic books, other factors must also be taken into account, such as how widely it is cited in the academic press. See point 3.
Finally, what goes on elsewhere on Wikipedia is irrelevant; WP:ATA notes that such arguments hold no water, and in fact I noted that one such argument on the previous AfD pointed to what is now a redlink, which would indicate that the page in question has since been deleted (probably speedily, given the juvenile nature of its title). — jammycakes (t)(c) 21:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Obscure but notable is an oxymoron, but so is army intellegence. I don't really get what point you are trying to make here? Once notable == always notable. It does return results on Google Scholar, and Google Search, and it has been featured in a book award, and an architecture award. I think this more than suffices for notability? One final thing, in your last point you say that what goes on elsewhere on wikipedia is irrelevant, but then go on to reference another AfD, I'm confused? Fosnez 21:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
May I refer you to WP:N#Notability is not temporary for my response to "Once notable == always notable": there is no doubt whatsoever that Globus Cassus falls flat on its face on this one. As to the awards, or anything that you consider may indicate enduring notability, please give full details of exactly which awards and how notable they were, backed up by reliable sources. — jammycakes (t)(c) 22:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you re-read the policy that you quoted, it actually states "Topics that did not meet the notability guidelines at one point in time may meet the notability guidelines as time passes" nowhere in that policy does it say that notability diminishes with time, which seems to be what you are implying. In fact "enduring" is not even mentioned on the page. Also, regarding sources: Sources != internet links. It has been established that this has featured in a major exhibition (via the source I provided, and others in this AfD) and is thus notable then, and is therefore notable now. - Fosnez 01:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In turn.
1. "Obscure but notable" is not at all an oxymoron, and I'm perplexed that an experienced WP editor should think it is. Pierre Rossier is exceedingly obscure - virtually nothing (not even his full name) was known about this 19th century photographer until 3 years ago - yet he is notable for his influence as an early teacher of photography in Japan and China. Treatises on impossible megaprojects are likely to be obscure by their very nature, but may yet have a notable influence - to those who know the field.
2. The second serious claim to notability, which you dismiss, is the publication Globus Cassus by a prominent publishing house. Lars Müller is one of the finest publishers of serious works on architecture, art, design and related subjects, as prestigious as, say, Princeton University Press. I invite you to consult Lars Müller's website. I don't understand what you mean about the book being "independent of the Biennale", but think of it as a book parallel to the Globus Cassus exhibition entry. There's nothing that needs establishing there, it's a book, like Dhalgren is a book. As for the "transitory nature" of exhibitions... well that's a limited view. Exhibitions often receive scholarly attention many years or decades after they occured. The 9th Venice Biennale is no exception.
3. When abstracts have been put online, they appear, yes. But Google doesn't measure everything that has been written or that is being written. And the three essay contributors to the book, Boris Groys, Claude Lichtenstein and Michael Stauffer, are each notable in their own right. I note that there is a Library of Congress Authority for Christian Waldvogel that mentions Globus Cassus, again indicating notability.
4. As above.
5. Other activity in WP is not irrelevant, it is what WP policy is based on and meant to guide. And it's particularly useful to compare with similar subjects in other parts of WP when related difficulties regarding notability arise - as with obscure subjects such as Pierre Rossier or this article. Pinkville 02:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I could respond to you point by point but I won't other than to say that none of them satisfactorily address the issues I have raised. Instead, I will simply sum up what has been stated so far in favour of a keep:
1. The Venice Biennale. This is a fairly good point but it is doubtful whether it is sufficient in and of itself to carry the day, particularly in the light of the fact that the subject has had so little coverage elsewhere.
2. The identity of the publisher. This can be a deciding factor in determining the notability of books, but only when considered alongside other factors such as breadth and depth of citation.
3. An award which appears to be given for typography and graphic design, not content, and (you may correct me if I am wrong) appears to be little known outside Germany.
4. The Library of Congress. Unless I am mistaken, this is completely trivial: as a copyright library, the Library of Congress keeps a record of every book published in the United States and their respective authors.
Set aside these factors, which alone are borderline in terms of establishing notability, we must consider that there is so little coverage of the subject elsewhere that without them this article would be a candidate for category A7 speedy deletion. It may be that, as you maintain, there are offline sources that can be cited that bolster its case for notability. If this is the case, please prove it and cite them. — jammycakes (t)(c) 09:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I would actually that is a very good reason to keep in on wikipedia, if the source website is being spammed as you say, then having it stored here is a good idea, it retains knowledge that might otherwise be lost. After all, that is what we are all about here. If your seemingly unquenchable requirement for sources is not satisfied by the end of the AfD (and IMHO I believe they have been) I suggest we break all the rules anyway. - Fosnez 12:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should leave it to everyone else to decide now. I've stated my case, you've stated yours, and everybody knows exactly what the score is. At least this time I can be more confident that the outcome will be based on Wikipedia policies and hard facts rather than WP:ILIKEIT or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS type arguments. — jammycakes (t)(c) 13:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We don't keep articles just because it might get spammed elsewhere (or lost). We have notability guidelines, as well as a big long list of what Wikipedia is not. I don't find the "source might get spammed, so we should keep it here" argument at all convincing (or such a drastic case that we should resort to WP:IAR). The topic has no enduring notability or worldwide significance. /Blaxthos 18:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that WP isn't a repository for texts that may vanish elsewhere. But you have seriously altered the WP definition of notability with the addition of the qualifiers "enduring"* and "worldwide significance". When did these criteria become become policy? And just a general reminder, notability is not the same thing as popularity or familiarity, it refers to something that is "worthy of note", which is why very obscure topics may be notable.
* WP:N says that "notability is not temporary", and Globus Cassus is not temporary, the book is still in print. Pinkville 20:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop splitting hairs about the exact meaning of the policy, you know exactly what it means and exactly what the issue is. Specifically, that the third party coverage of Globus Cassus by independent, reliable sources is quite clearly insufficient to establish notability. If you want to convince anyone of your case, you must provide solid evidence to back it up as ultimately that is what will decide this matter. There are no sources to speak of available online, though you maintain that there are some available offline -- well, where are they? If it has permanent notability per WP:N#Notability is not temporary, reliable sources will still be covering it on an ongoing basis since the Biennale. Where are the references and sources to back up your assertions? — jammycakes (t)(c) 23:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is based on the explicit and specific definition of notability in WP:N: non-trivial coverage in multiple published reliable sources, which, per WP:N#Notability is not temporary, must extend over a sufficient period of time to demonstrate enduring notability. As for the specialised field business: this is an argument that has cropped up a couple of times but it does not seem to have been properly justified, that Globus Cassus is notable because it is significant in some particularly specialised field. Can somebody please enlighten us as to exactly what that field is supposed to be, and why in this case such a tiny and transitory amount of coverage should be considered sufficient? Deletion discussions need to be based on evidence, not broad sweeping generalisations and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS type arguments. — jammycakes (t)(c) 06:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but this just boils down to a combination of WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We don't have policies and guidelines (WP:RS and WP:N) so that we can have something to ignore... ;-) Wikipedia is not a reward; things don't "deserve to be here". The nebulous "spirit of the organization" argument is just an appeal to ignore the rules without a real explaination as to why. This subject, as appealing as it may be to some, has no long term notability, which is examplified by the complete lack of reliable sources -- this pair of deficiencies go hand-in-hand almost always, and should be a clear cut case to delete, IMHO. As a side note, I have no campaign or disdain for the subject of this article; I just hate to see the AFD process be overrun with !votes of keep with no clear rationale in policy. /Blaxthos 12:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mackensen (talk) 23:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jangladesh[edit]

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Jangladesh is not a recognised geographical or political term. It seems to have been invented for some political or other agenda. Please see the discussions on the Talk pages of the articles on "Jangladesh" and "Jat people" John Hill 07:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments have been moved to the talk page. utcursch | talk 11:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Dear utcursch


The area known as Jangaldesh covered the area west of the river Sindhu (now Indus), modern Pakistan across Modern Rajasthan, into modern Haryana and into Southern Punjab.

Geographically, the area covers North Rajastan, and extends into three major states- Sindh, Rajasthan, Punjab and Haryana.

The town of Bikaner is in the district of Bikaner. Around that are a number of other districts, as the maps in the link below indicates. 

http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/rajasthan/districts/

That gives a picture of where Jangaldesh was at least in the modern State of Rajasthan.

The districts are Jaisalmer to the West, Jodhpur to the south, Ganganagar to the north, and State of Punjab, District Hanumangarh, North West, Jhunjunu to the East, and then the state of Haryana, also to the east. Jangaldesh stretched into near the modern town of Kurukshetra.

In the west beyond the Indian border, parts of what is now Pakistan part of Sindh were also part of Jangaldesh.

Ref: Dilip Singh Ahlawat, ‘ Jat Viron Ka Ithihaas” Mathan Press, Rohtak, India.

The article cannot be reduced to being a part of Bikaner district or even the formerly princely state of Bikaner.

Te other point readers may wish to consider is, that at that point of time, prior to the creation of Bikaner, in the 15th century CE, the area was known a Jangaldesh since ancient times.

Take the analogy of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire covered vast territories, Europe, Middle East, Egypt. That has now disappeared,

Yet no one would suggest that the Roman Empire be reduced to be part of an article about Rome.

There is plenty of evidence that was not the equivalent name in Hindi of a desert, a barren place. 

It is not also the equivalent or synonym for Jungle, which means forest and Jungle has entered the English language.

The article needs to improved upon and expanded, not deleted or merged.?

Best regards


Ravi Chaudhary 19:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 02:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jacqueline Hudson[edit]

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Claims to notability are completely unverifiable. Vargas award: not one relevant Google hit[32] Jacqueline Hudson + Airbrush Action:not one google hit.[33] Jacqueline Hudson + Grammy: not one relevant google hit[34]. No google hits with music cares[35], nor with the correct name musicares[36].No mention of Hudson in the article about the MusiCares award for Aretha Franklin [37]. In fact, only one google hit for Jacqueline Hudson plus airbrush![38] So all the impressive links and claims in the article are unverifiable (online). Her own website, by the way, claims that she is featured in Airbrush Magazine, not Airbrush Action magazine. Fram 07:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being a new member and editor of the wikipedia outlet, I beleieve those who claim to be excellent editors, should go a little easy on new articles. Firstly, I would like to see the verible reference on all wikipedia editors, and where they claim they have the right to delete pages. (Via your qualifications, and if you are a vilable employee to the site). And not just a bored self claimed writer with nothing better to do with their time. Notibly, those partcipating in making justifiable comments should be more encouraing to help new users edit their document with supportive claims. The article written on Jacqueline Hudson is quite notable. After reading it myself, I would cross examine the verible mistakes written in the article and delete them. I have looked up all relevant associations via all the artists. And I am well versed in the art arena. Having purused an article of airbrush action magazine, she has been listed. I would recommend who ever wrote the article also clean up the reference points.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacqueline_Hudson" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.204.209 (talk) 19:56, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy delete as obvious hoax (a Nobelprize winner, born in 1987? Right...). Fram 07:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Bowman[edit]

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Obvious hoax bio that should be speedied. Unfortunately an anonymous user from a shared IP in Korea (whom I suspect to be the article's creator) has constantly removed the CSD and maintenance tags leaving me with no choice but to AFD it WebHamster 07:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goat on a Pole[edit]

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Contested speedy and prod, for reasons that completely befuddle me. Non-notable "religion," more likely a hoax or just pure and utter bollocks. It's supposed to be a religion that worships a goat on a pole. No, I'm not joking. Someone actually devotes a web site to this, which means web hosting prices have gotten to be a bit too low. Realkyhick 07:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not if you do a search on "Goatonapolists" as referred to in the article. It's a more specific search term than "goat" and "pole".--WebHamster 09:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quake 2 vortex[edit]

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Videogame modification lacking notability, fails WP:N--PCPP 07:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Suggestion to rename is a good one but I will leave it up to interested editors to decide what to do with the name. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Modern uses and adaptations of Little Red Riding Hood[edit]

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Trivial cluttered list of many mentions, parodies (and so on) of Little Red Riding Hood. Being a popular and famous subject doesn't justify a list like this one. RobJ1981 05:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment There is one difference between this topic and the average "...in popular culture" article that is nominated for deletion. In cases such as a hypothetical Chewing gum in popular culture article (not using a real example to protect the innocent ;-), one typically finds a list including every time chewing gum appeared on a movie or episode of a TV series. These lists are generally trivia. However, in Modern uses and adaptations of Little Red Riding Hood one has actual works of culture (not necessarily "popular") such as novels, stories, and comics, that are directly influenced by Little Red Riding Hood--they are based on it, parody it, revise the story, etc. I'm not saying that every single entry currently in the article fulfills these criteria, but in general they do, and those that do not can be fixed by editing, not deleting the entire article. --Itub 14:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree with Otto4711 though, this page certainly should have certain elements removed, but things like Red Hot Riding Hood, The Company of Wolves and Hoodwinked most certainly deserve to be listed (unlike the dubious Fable reference). --Jayunderscorezero 23:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Fists in Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo[edit]

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Completely in-universe list of attacks. No reliable, verifiable third party sources to assert its notability. If comparisons can be made to Fist of the North Star, that can be included at the central article at Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 03:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya_Danielle[edit]

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Doesn't seem to meet the standards for notability of a pornographic actor Anadin 05:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Singularity 03:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rene Reinmann[edit]

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Non-notable city council member, who received 129 votes. Attack page that fails WP:BLP.

His membership of the Tallinn City Council does not make him notable. His career of petty crimes does not meet WP:NOTABILITY either. The combination really does not make him notable. He might be mentioned in an article on the Tallinn City Council, if such article ever existed. As is stands now, the article is clearly an attack page. Non-notable people have a right to privacy, even criminals. They do not deserve their misconduct spashed on the front page of Wikipedia.

I was thinking of nominating this for AfD the first time I saw it, but because I have refrained from editing anything that User:Digwuren is involved with, I did not react early. The on-going arbitration at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren makes me even more unwilling to touch any of this crap. Placing this attack on the Front page, in the WP:DYK section is however a step too far. I request that this article be removed from DYK ASAP and deleted. -- Petri Krohn 05:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC) P.S. Per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Articles about living people notable only for one event this article could be moved to Tallinn City Council. ("Cover the event, not the person.") I would prefer the article history be deleted, but if someone wants to do the move, I will not object. -- Petri Krohn 06:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Petri, why do you call it an attack page? Can just sourced facts be an attack? As it is in WP:DYK, it is clear that an administrator - or several - reviewed the article and saw it as acceptable.
Also, as for notability, Rene Reinmann is probably the most mentioned name in Estonian politics at the moment, having been lying about his past and education - and the follow-up of Keskerakond trying to protect him almost at any cost. If you want English sources, then the Baltic Business News ran a story about him, [40], available for subscribers. Sander Säde 05:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Which "only one event" would that be? The one when he ran a major electricity meter clock theft ring, which was covered in media? Or the one where he ran for the City Council? Or the one where he lied about his education? Or the one where it became public? Or the one where it was covered up? Digwuren 09:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, then, there's the issue that Tallinn City Council has a seven-century history. Shoving this incident into that article, with temporal coverage of less than a third of one percent, would be a clear case of WP:UNDUE. Considering Petri Krohn's history at Wikipedia, making such a suggestion is more than a little interesting. Digwuren 13:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that the author used articles from one newspaper just because it was easiest. But, Eesti Ekspress, SL Õhtuleht, Äripäev, Postimees, Delfi, Reporter (TV) all run one or more stories about him. All mentioned sources are among the biggest media outlets in Estonia, there are dozens of minor sources not worth searching or mentioning. If Digwuren has time, he could add sources from other places then Eesti Päevaleht. Sander Säde 06:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to that, I felt that since Eesti Ekspress was responsible for digging up the whole story, they should get the most prominent credit. Digwuren 11:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The section is directly sourced to relevant newspaper coverage, some offences even to court rulings. I believe this satisfies BLP requirements, and will restore the section accordingly. Digwuren 09:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The 129-vote victory is not actually extreme; it's an artefact of Estonia's proportional voting systems. Most parties have up to a dozen Very Known People as their flagships, and then the Long Tail. In Reinmann's case, the flagship was Vilja Savisaar. Extreme victories, in context of local elections, are usually considered those that take less than about 20 votes. Digwuren 09:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might be appropriate to close this AFD early, under WP:SNOW. Digwuren 13:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Hiding behind WP:RS"? Watch me throwing a snowball in your general direction! Digwuren 16:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Estonian is my native language and I can confirm, that article contains what the sources say...--Alexia Death the Grey 06:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's all I need, then. No risk of calling someone dirty names without sources, then. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If he was a career politican, he would be a public figure and potentially notable. Most city council members are however not politicians, although they are involved in local politics. -- Petri Krohn 10:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you would have actually looked even the headlines of the sources - as you understand Estonian - you'd have noticed that they call him a politician. Unless you want to dispute those sources, then he is a politician according to the cited and perfectly wiki-valid sources. 10:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Sander Säde
I'm not sure whether it matters if he's a "career politician" or some guy who happens to be (or have been, rather) on the city council. What matters for me is that he was elected and then turned out to have a criminal record and have fudged his educational background. By being elected, he became someone in the public eye, and he would have done likewise had he been in any one of several hundred other jobs. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, even if it *did* matter, this one hasn't held a job as customarily understood for years. His position in the famous elections' biographical form is marked as "project manager" in a company his father owns. The father, as a matter of fact, belongs to the same city council, is a Chernobyl liquidation veteran (with considerable resulting handicap), and played a rôle in the balance-of-power mechanics. Digwuren 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 04:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Technomancer Press[edit]

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This article's content is comprised of thinly disguised spam promoting the company, whilst its products are listed in detail in the article body, the reference and external links sections. Strip away the self-promotion and the peacock language, this advertorial fails to demonstrate notabilty, which is yet to come. --Gavin Collins 16:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have they changed the way articles make it to "good" status recently? Because I have always thought of that process as absurdly subjective. One spam account creats an article and the next spam account awards it "good" status.-Apollo58 17:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And that might perhaps be why I noted it. FrozenPurpleCube 18:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — TKD::Talk 04:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 02:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BMW X7[edit]

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More or less a procedural nomination. I believe User:Laxplayer630 blanked the page in good faith thinking it should be deleted. I generally agree that this topic is much to speculative to have an article at this time. Daniel J. Leivick 04:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 14:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Katie Armiger[edit]

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procedural nomination A prior AFD action closed on 13 August with 'keep' as the outcome; 13 days after that close, the article was first nominated for speedy deletion by User:75.2.209.103 then PROD-nominated by User:WebHamster. The claim in the PROD-based re-nomination was "Lack of notability per WP:MUSIC." A couple of the reviewers in the last AFD recommended a period of time (ranging from 2 weeks to 3 months) to allow current events related to this singer to unfold, then rejudge the article. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 03:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of residential projects In Bangalore[edit]

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advertisement, unencyclopedic -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits04:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 03:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paraclete center[edit]

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This article describes a nonnotable local after-school center. It cites no references, and it clearly attempts to advertise, saying it costs $25 to join. The multiple violations of WP:N, WP:V and WP:NPOV leave little choice but to delete. Shalom Hello 03:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Flowers[edit]

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NN. Bio extensively edited by its own subject. Subject isn't notable in any of his fields (computer security, literature, or film). Secondary sources for article fall into two categories: a long newsweekly article claiming the subject is a fraud, and superficial trade press hits. What little there is to be said about the subject cannot be written NPOV and within bio guidelines. What's there now is highly misleading. Tqbf 03:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keepThere are multiple published articles about him that are quite large and widely distributed. Even if he is only known for fruad it is enough. The rest of it has to be weeded out.--Dacium 04:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edited) rebuttal: the only WP:N-qualified source cited by the page can't be represented due to WP:BLP --- it slams the subject. Trade press is NN: it's not independent of the subject (based on press hits). As from [Uncle_G] --- Wikipedia is not a business directory.
This seems to be only your opinion. The article does not slam the subject. It questions his stories. The articles his method of making money. Where are the lies in it? There are none. NPOV doesn't mean only kind things.--Dacium 23:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm being unclear. I agree with the article; I don't dispute it. But (a) that article is the subject's PRIMARY source of notability, (b) it's a profoundly unfavorable article, (c) the subject disputes the article and its contents, which disputes are hard to resolve because of WP:BLP. 69.17.73.234 05:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
subject quite clearly passes WP:BIO "The person has been the subject of published1 secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." There are 3 very long articles dedicated just to him.--Dacium 23:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment as he is a practical engineer, not an academic, neither GS or Citeseer is necessarily relevant as a test. DGG (talk) 06:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
it's tricky in security (my field). There's no WP:SECURITYNOTABILITY, but if there was, tests would include (1) academic cites (many of us have them), (2) authorship of notable security tools or products, or (3) discovery of notable security vulnerabilities. I'll assert Flowers would fail all of these tests. (1) He's cited nowhere. (2) His security company, Hiverworld, has faded into obscurity. (3) From what I can tell, he's discovered no vulnerabilities. Agreed preemptively that he's not "just" a security person, though. Tqbf 18:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hiverworld did not "fade into obscurity. It changed its name, brand, received considerable funding, re-organized with a different management company and currently exists as nCircle using the same core technology developed at Hiverworld and covered by the patents.--P Todd 18:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
rebut: (a) the relationship between Hiverworld and nCircle's success is highly debatable, (b) the "founder of nCircle" claim on this page is misleading (nCircle is a different company), (c) being the founder of a middle-tier security company doesn't confer WP:N notability; there are hundreds of these people, an ever-changing roster, all of whom derive "notability" only from non-independent secondary sources based entirely on press releases. Request, peripheral to the argument: cite a source that argues nCircle's product line, say, since 2003, is based on "core technology" from John Flowers. Central argument: the difference between John Flowers and some random founding CTO of some random foundering software company is that John Flowers seems to have lied about a bunch of stuff and got caught. What's he doing here?Tqbf 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy deleted as a repost. Still the same speculation that was deleted the first two times. Resolute 03:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still Cassie[edit]

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The article consists entirely of unreferenced speculation about an album that is supposed to come out sometime in 2008 (according to Cassie, although a Google source says Sept. 18th, '07), but it seems they're not even sure what record label it'll be under yet. Recommend deletion under WP:CRYSTAL. Contested Prod. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of guest stars on The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour[edit]

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As with List of guests on the Ellen Degeneres Show and List of guests on The Dick Cavett Show, it's pure listcruft. An indiscriminate list of variety show guest stars. The list is not notable in and of itself, has no sources, and is unlikely to ever be accurately maintained. Realkyhick 02:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of guests on The Dick Cavett Show[edit]

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As with List of guests on the Ellen Degeneres Show, it's pure listcruft. An indiscriminate list of talk show guests. The list is not notable in and of itself, has no sources, and is unlikely to ever be accurately maintained. Realkyhick 02:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MediaZone.com[edit]

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Delete spammy article about a web sports service - was originally tagged speedy for copyvio, tags removed pending permission being received, don't know whether it was, but this website in not notable Alexa rank of 14,232. Carlossuarez46 02:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sociolinguistics research in India[edit]

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The article has negligible content, and the subject matter would seem to belong as a section in Sociolinguistics or Languages of India. Tamfang 17:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - I've just added several sections to the page (complete with references). My head now aches mightily. :-) It could still do with work because I haven't tidied any of the stuff that was already there, but it should be enough to go on with now. --Zeborah 09:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definite keep now after the tremendous rescue effort by Zeborah. Abecedare 19:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you clarify which part of John Hill's comments you're referring to? The article has been significantly changed since he made them. --Zeborah 19:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MastCell Talk 22:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guayaquil Marathon[edit]

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Tagged as A1, but has plenty of context. Is this worth keeping? Feels like it to me. Daniel Case 01:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2000s music groups[edit]

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This article is redundant with the Category:2000s music groups. I am also nominating the following related pages because they all fail in the same way as being redundant with their respective categories of the same name:

1990s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1970s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1960s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There is no need to merge the information on the page. The categorization of each group's article will suffice. Keeping this list separately introduces all kinds of problems and should be considered Listcruft. Maher-shalal-hashbaz 01:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 02:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Eby[edit]

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Tagged as speedy but does make an assertion of notability. Does it carry the day? Daniel Case 01:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The CD release. Daniel Case 01:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Releasing a CD is not notable. Anyone with money and the inclination can release a CD. As far as WP:MUSIC goes, the criterion for notability through releases is two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels. Precious Roy 01:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I thought it was still down at one. Daniel Case 02:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's been "two or more" since the very first edit to WP:MUSIC, although I don't know if there was a precursor page with a less stringent guideline. --Dhartung | Talk 04:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I get more than that under my real name and I'm certainly not notable. Does this mean I can get a WP article now?--WebHamster 06:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
good point, I figured that "Eby" is an odd last name, but since the consensus looks like a delete, I'll keep my weak keep for the time being.Mbisanz 06:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Mackensen (talk) 23:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latino Fan Club[edit]

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No sources. A google news archive search for "Latino Fan Club" comes up with no relevant results. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability for relevant policies. Chick Bowen 01:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 02:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wired New York[edit]

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Website which does not meet the notability criteria of WP:WEB. The external links to the claimed number of members are to the cite itself, not a reliable source. Most of the article is about a member of the website who died tragically, in circumstances unrelated to the website. Exteranl links in this section are to the sites forums. Savidan 01:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted, per WP:CSD#A7. Non-admin closure. --Boricuaeddie 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Ape (band)[edit]

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Non-notable band (WP:MUSIC). Only claim to notability is an unreferenced claim that they are "famous" for using zombies in their music videos. Savidan 00:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete under WP:SNOW. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian celebrities by hometown[edit]

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Not sure of the purpose of this list. Grouping people by home town seems very indiscriminate, and there is no explanation at all of what qualifies one as a "celebrity", or what qualifies a place as one's hometown. <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s"> Some hockey players are listed, but not most, etc. In fact, Steve Yzerman is listed twice. Some bands are listed, some not. Unmaintainable list, no objective inclusion criteria, trivial intersection by location, unreferenced. Resolute 00:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Carlossuarez46 04:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas Equality Coalition[edit]

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. The article would benefit from some of the references cited in the AfD. Tyrenius 02:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MassEquality[edit]

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Despite those articles non are actually about it just, just passing mentions and comments from people who are in the org. still seems to fail notibility of WP:ORG-Dacium 03:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day by Day Armageddon[edit]

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Non notable, no reliable reasources and over all absolutely nothing defining about it. User:ECH3LON

The wording of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Examples, says While they are often controlled by a single party..., many still permit anonymous commentary and we have no way of verifying the identity of a poster. I would argue that because this post is by a Moderator, on the publishers forums that this would become a reliable source. Regarding Amazon, the citiation was used to reference a fact on the article saying that the books were selling for up to 8 times their RRP, this fact is proven by the reference, and it is a notable source. (I can't find a policy that specifically says amazon is not a reliable source, I can understand how the reviews on amazon are not a reliable source, but amazon itself is.) Fosnez 03:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete Blatant copyvio of [44]. This is with no prejudice against this being rewritten in someone's own words in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright. W.marsh 13:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Equality Florida[edit]

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Carlossuarez46 04:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Equality Mississippi[edit]

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WP:ORG says organizations need to be national in scope to be notable enough for inclusion. Therefore, this group is too local. New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Can you add specific citations to the article? If individual reporting by national TV/radio organizations has been as broad as you suggest, then this will meet WP's requirements. As it stands, the article has no independent sources. Barno 15:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admittedly, with age, most public links to national coverage have been moved or removed. I have all of the links, dating back to 2000 but most are now dead links. I was able to find the ABC News story. I also found several stories from The Advocate, a national news magazine. If would like those links, I can provide. I found 5 of them. Further, I found a story in Christianity Today magazine and a story in Pentecostal Evangel magazine, both national magazines. Futher, there are stories available on the internet from regional media such as Southern Voice, which covers most of the Southern states. A simple Google News search brings back numerous results. You must also keep in mind that while some news stories appear to be in, and come from, local news outlets, these are Associated Press stories, which is a national news organization. Thank you. Allstarecho 18:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further: I just read where New England has marked several statewide gay organizations for deletion. See the list of sexuality and gender-related deletions. This of course brings into question the motive here, especially since included in that list is MassEquality. If we're basing this decision off of national media coverage, there's no other organization out there that has gotten more than MassEquality thanks to the state's passage of legislation allowing and acknowledging same-sex marriage. Again, as pointed out above, the policy WP:V: "Organizations whose activities are local in scope are usually not notable unless verifiable information from reliable independent sources can be found." A simple Google/Yahoo/MSN search returns hundreds of reliable independent sources. Allstarecho 23:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still Further: I just found a USA Today article. Allstarecho™ 10:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comments: First, your userpage says you're an inclusionist -- you could have fooled me. :-p Second, just as a point of information, this organization is not a state branch of a national organization (this is also true of the other organizations currently listed at the list of sexuality and gender-related deletions.) There is something called the "Equality Federation" which includes most such groups, but it's a loose, a posteriori federation of the groups for purposes like sharing resources or information. Finally, I think the POINT suggestion was because the user nominated lots of similar articles for deletion all at once, when there's no reason this matter couldn't have been discussed on the talk pages first. kdogg36 12:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: Equality Mississippi is not a branch or chapter of any other organization, national or otherwise. It's a sovereign organization. Allstarecho™ 01:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Singularity 01:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

VX (band)[edit]

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Non notable band that simply covers songs written by others. Currently signed to a non-notable (no wiki article) label. New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Singularity 01:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean State Job Lot[edit]

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This company is semi-notable in New England, but that's it. Its not notable enough for inclusion here. (and I live down the street from one). New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, what you've heard or not heard, may not mean anything. Have you looked for sources besides your own memory? FrozenPurpleCube 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Have you looked at the existing secondary sources? The case involving the mall certainly made a lot of news. FrozenPurpleCube 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep, bad faith, disruptive nomination. —C.Fred (talk) 03:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Rolling Stones[edit]

Just some random garage band. --Lenmilsel 03:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And don't pull any mean shit on me I'm in a horrible mood everyone hates me and my girlfriend broke up with me today in the worst way possible.

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The result was delete. Singularity 01:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Brown (media)[edit]

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The article is written like an advertisement and it is not allowed in our policy. --  PNiddy  Go!  04:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was The result was speedy delete. Brad Beattie (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Motaz sabri[edit]

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Multiple claims of inventions such as "special car runs on AA battery ,water pump that consumes no electrical power and a refrigerator that consumes no power" all of this before the age of 10. The article is unsourced and seems unsourcable. There is no real notability here. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was moved to Goodbye Girl (Go West Song) and deleted the redirect as unecessary. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 17:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goodbye Girl (Go West Song[edit]

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Goodbye Girl (Go West Song is an invalid page name as it hasn't got a full set of brackets. I have recently created a new page called Goodbye Girl (Go West Song) which is a valid page name. I would appreciate it if "Goodbye Girl (Go West Song" could be deleted as soon as possible, thank you. Teddet 14:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pandaren[edit]

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Does not establish enough notability outside game universe. This article is also literally plagiarized from WoWwiki. (Copyright is not a problem here, though - WowWiki uses GFDL.) SYSS Mouse 16:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please feel to articulate how. Because I don't see anything in the page that is related to playing the game itself. FrozenPurpleCube 01:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In-depth description of a character in the fictional universe, lacking any kind of coverage from real world sources, is game guide content Corpx 06:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retraction: I misremembered. It was lifted, but the original writer approved. See Talk:Pandaren. --Raijinili 05:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Strictly speaking, since a wiki is written by many people, a single editor cannot give such permission. SYSS Mouse 17:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can give approval for something someone's already allowed to do. --Raijinili 06:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, upon thinking, I think both of us ae wrong. By editing there, the writers indirectly gives permission for others to use elsewhere, since Wowwiki uses GFDL. SYSS Mouse 16:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected to Linkin Park Underground#Underground v6.0. ELIMINATORJR 21:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

QWERTY (song)[edit]

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Non notable non album song, article mostly trivial and unsoured. Previously nominated here and result was delete. Delete and salt. Rehevkor 16:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to the album, per regular consensus on singles that didn't chart. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Stay[edit]

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Non notable non single, mostly trivial and unsourced. Was previously nominated here, result was redirect. Delete and salt. Rehevkor 17:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 01:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Kempe[edit]

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Non-notable junior hockey player who is yet to play professionally. Does not meet notability requirements. Djsasso 17:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Florida wind insurance[edit]

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There is nothing special about Florida wind insurance. Liability insurance in the US is always governed by state regulations, why should FL be singled out. Article was originally created as a vehicle for spam links. Avi 18:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 01:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Brophy[edit]

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Non-notable junior player who has not played professionally and has not won any major awards. Does not meet hockey notability standards. Djsasso 18:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to better page. Singularity 01:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Big Finish Doctor Who chronology[edit]

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The page is obsolete- the page Doctor Who story chronology features much of the same infomation, but with the novels as well. PROD contested. OZOO (What?) 18:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - If deleted, it should be kept a redirect anyway, since that page does include the same information, and it's as good as merged. Even if nobody types this in looking for it, there could be links to it that would do well to be redirected onto the more new page. -- SonicAD (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I actually found this page by searching for "big finish chronology", so I'd recommend keeping a redirect. --Aaron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.244.144 (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment(to both above) - The links to this page are checked through the "What links here" feature before deletion. They would be updated to the new page, or removed. StuartDD ( t • c ) 21:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Carlossuarez46 05:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

19 June 1985 Zona Rosa attacks[edit]

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This article has been tagged for cleanup since 2005, and shows no signs of improvement since. It has a mere 8 Google hits when Wikipedia is removed from the search terms (see here), and only 246 when Wikipedia is included (see here). I doubt that notability can be effectively established in only 8 Google hits, and I really doubt that Wikipedia needs to document every single minor terrorist incident that occurs. ♠PMC♠ 21:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. the United states institute of peace Truth commission report on the incident in From Madness to Hope: The 12-Year War in El Salvador [47].
  2. The Washington post article [48] of June 19th 1985.
  3. An article from the Journal of Interamerican Studies and World Affairs by Enrique A. Baloyra 'Negotiating War in el Salvador: The Politics of Endgame ' [49]--Cailil talk 22:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Singularity 01:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Bachand[edit]

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Disputed prod. Non-notable junior hockey player who has not played professionally and has won no awards to otherwise create notability. Fails WP:Bio and project standards for notability. Djsasso 21:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 01:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pier-Antoine Dion[edit]

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Disputed prod. Non-notable hockey player whom has not played professionally and does not meet WP:BIO or project standards. Djsasso 21:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 01:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maxime dubuc[edit]

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Protested prod. Non-notable junior player who has not played professionally or won any major awards to indicate notability. Fails WP:BIO and hockey project standards. Djsasso 21:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per creator's request. Non-admin closure. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Street Hockey League[edit]

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Either a local rec league or a fantasy league as Google turns up zero hits on it and speaking as someone who lives in one of the cities, I have never heard of the so called local team and I would being that I am involved in the local hockey scene. Djsasso 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 02:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Rejection Slip Theater"[edit]

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Contested prod; radio show with no evidence of notability. Submitted by an announcer for the show COI/vanity are relevant here too. Peta 23:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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