The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus right now to Keep this article but an acknowledgement that it needs a lot of work. I hope interested editors can address any problems that still exist through editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Locations in His Dark Materials (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Does not have WP:SIGCOV in reliable independent sources. An WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of fictional concepts from a book series. Much of this is WP:OR in both content and in the choices of what to cover. Jontesta (talk) 05:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 05:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I got pinged as the article creator. It seems that a long time ago I merged a couple of articles because they were not individually notable. Perhaps some of the items here have enough 3rd party coverage to merit existence, but I'll stay out of discussion. --Tone 14:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to His Dark Materials#Setting. It might be able to be spun off into a Universe of His Dark Materials article, but currently it seems heavily loaded with plot and fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I got pinged as a major contributor to the article, though truth to tell my role has been largely copyediting and 'pruning'. This list article summarises all the 'worlds' and distinct locations in the (massive) His Dark Materials two trilogies of books and a number of spin-offs. All the info is - or should be - in the coverage of each of those books, and is no more WP:OR or indiscriminate than a list of characters from a major book, TV or film series, of which we host many. WP in my opinion is highly inconsistent in its coverage of created works. Almost every plot summary of almost every film or book is, in reality, intrinsically WP:OR. Choosing what plot devices to record and how to record them, an editor makes creative judgements. Our justification to ourselves is that the "work itself is the source". According to strict interpretation of P&G, this article probably has no place on WP, but IMHO has value as collating info recorded elsewhere on the site.Pincrete (talk) 06:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep While this article needs a lot of work, I believe there is significant coverage in secondary sources to allow just that, like this Lonely Planet article, this Radio Times article, two paragraphs in Routledge Handbook of the Tourist Experience, p. 83-84, the chapter "'Lyra's Odyssey' In Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy" in Once and Future Antiquities in Science Fiction and Fantasy, two chapters in Serialization in Literature Across Media and Markets, pages in Space and Place in Children’s Literature, 1789 to the Present (mostly but not exclusively on Oxford), and others. Now the article's topic may not be the main topic in all those source, but that's specifically not required by WP:SIGCOV. But those sources do have a lot to say on the locations, as a group and individually, plot summary, commentary on the function of the locations in the story, commentary on their realization on film, inspirations, intertextuality, etc. No objection against a renaming into Universe of His Dark Materials, or rather Multiverse of His Dark Materials, but I don't find that neccessary either. Daranios (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Daranios' sources. No objection to rename if that's the consensus, and obviously a merger into #Setting is preferable to outright deletion if this is not retained as a separate article. Jclemens (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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