- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to WTF with Marc Maron. Consensus is to delete or redirect. The delete rationales argued against the suitability of a standalone article but did not discount or argue against redirecting the article. Aoidh (talk) 03:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- List of WTF with Marc Maron episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Redirected by Pppery. Then contested. Not enough sourcing to meet WP:VERIFY. And currently fails notability criteria. Onel5969 TT me 11:02, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As redirector, my rationale was that the only reason given for unredirecting was a clearly-false claim of vandalism. The reason for the second unredirection was WP:ITSUSEFUL and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which is only slightly better, so restore redirect due to the lack of any policy-based argument for unredirection provided in any of the three attempts. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Generally, I think podcast episode lists are excessive and unhelpful violations of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, especially for shows that do not have an overarching storyline or plot. I'm hesitant about this particular list because there are sources that discuss the episodes as a group. For instance, Thrillist, Slate, Vulture, ScreenRant, and Den of Geek. And while the most recent RfC that I opened did indicate that an episode list needs to pass WP:NLIST there was also discussion that suggested episode lists should generally only be used for shows with storylines or plots. I've been looking into starting another RfC and in the process I've looked for similar discussions related to TV episode lists, and the couple of responses I got at the TV wikiproject expressed similar views that podcasts without storylines or plots should not have episode lists. I'm also not sure if the sources I've cited here warrant a list with over 1,300 entries. These sources I've cited only discuss about 30 unique episodes (the lists overlap quite a bit). Do a few sources that discuss 30 episodes warrant a list of over 1,300 entries? Is that a violation of WP:UNDUE or a similar guideline? Would it be more appropriate to expand the WTF_with_Marc_Maron#Notable_podcasts section with these sources? I'm on the fence with this one, but I lean toward redirect. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete exhaustive episode list covered by a single primary source. Podcast episodes are generally not notable on their own, unlike various television shows, and certainly the subject of each episode gets no mention (if at all) appearing on the episode. Ajf773 (talk) 10:05, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails LISTN and WP:CLN (AOAL). No sources show this being discussed as a group. // Timothy :: talk 00:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to WTF with Marc Maron or the section WTF_with_Marc_Maron#Notable_podcasts per my comment above. I wanted to formerly !vote rather than just comment. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:53, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Leaning Keep - We have two ways lists of episodes, characters, etc. come about: notability via NLIST and article splits. There was a recent RfC about podcasts, but it does not supersede long-standing style guidelines about what to do when part of an article gets too long. So the question is: does this meet NLIST, or would it be WP:DUE in the main article, but too long to include there? WTF is in the top tiny percentage of notable podcasts, such that it is unsurprising there are plenty of sources which treat lists of episodes as a group (as a reminder, such sources don't have to cover the whole group), but I think the article size argument is more persuasive. If there were 30 episodes, I don't think we'd hesitate to just include them in the article. With this many, however, they would take too much space there. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Lacks independent sources supporting that WP:NLIST is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.