The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 13:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of ROH shows

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Fancruft/listcruft for a popular independent wrestling promotion. Imagine if a list for WWE existed: it would be insanely too long. These types of lists are better suited for a wrestling and/or fan wiki. As a note: from a comment on the talk page, this was deleted in the past. RobJ1981 04:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What was deleated in the past were several articles on different ROH events (i.e. Glory by Honor, the Anniversary Shows, Crowning a Champion). WWE does have list containing all their events, as well as different pages on the individual events; and the same goes for TNA, WCW, and the original ECW.PepsiPlunge 04:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. All 3 promotions you listed are big promotions with PPV event list pages. The list pages for WWE, WCW and ECW are for PPVs, not every event. Ring of Honor usually has names for most (if not, all) of it's events: that doesn't make them anymore notable. Many ECW supercards (that had special names) had articles in the past, but were deleted, because of lack of notability. The list page is a fancruft guide to the event history of Ring of Honor. I don't see how a cleanup could even help it out, as people would just re-add it to make it look like a comprehensive list again I bet. RobJ1981 04:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CommentWhat makes this different from say, a WWE list of house shows for example, is that almost every single Ring Of Honor Show has been released on dvd, in chronological order, and there are many collectors who this page would be useful to. If this page gets deleted, they might as well delete every page about WWE, WCW, ECW and TNA pay-per-view events and video releases.207.69.139.144 05:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Ring of Honor (like many indy promotions) releases DVDs on their own website and a few others. That's not very notable. Any group producing a DVD and releasing it online shouldn't be put on Wikipedia as a list page. With WWE and the big promotions: they sell it to actual stores, and it's released in many countries (if not worldwide). RobJ1981 05:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Listcruft with no encyclopedic value. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 08:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment On what basis do you define notable? ROH runs shows worldwide, and judging on the basis that they aren't on TV is wrong in this case, as the company does not want to be on TV. The DVDs are shipped worldwide and sold in independent shops all over the world and the company is covered in all wrestling media. As I said this page was deleted accidentally, the pages on the individual events were deleted on the basis that this list was enough and the guy who deleted the other pages did this one by mistake.--Stuarthinde@gmail.com 16:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We're not discussing deleting an article on the promotion itself, we're discussing deleting a list of shows they have run. Please demonstrate what encyclopedic value this list has. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The same as the lists for say the original ECW, also there are lists on Wikipedia of games released for old games consoles, how does this have less encyclopedic value?

Comment Again, please try discussing this article, WP:INN and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS are relevant here. What encyclopedic value does this list have? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It has encyclopedic value for wrestling fans, it is a notable promotion with a large following. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stuarthinde@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 16:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I'm a huge wrestling fan, and this list has ZERO value for me.

Strong Delete ROH names every one of their shows, so this is basically a list of every show run by an indy fed (even if ROH were a big wrestling fed, I vote vote Delete just like I did for a list of ECW events). TJ Spyke 23:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notability. The shows are NN so is the list NBeale 06:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.