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The result was delete. $Salvio giuliano$ 22:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Horrid Henry characters[edit]

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completely unsourced, and even if the show is notable list of characters is not Artem.G (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Artem.G (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Literature, Lists, and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:30, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I recently removed a couple of dubious characters who do not appear to be part of the universe. Although they have different criteria, even the corresponding page on Horrid Henry's own wiki is up for deletion. Certes (talk) 23:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not relevant since it was just one guy who said he preferred categories to list, and it was ignored for over six months now. I just removed it. Dream Focus 06:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the topic of "List of (show) characters" is "(show)". If not for LENGTH anything verifiable can be merged to a notable topic; this is just a summary style split. Anything that reflects too much plot summary or OR can be trimmed, and that means a deletion is unnecessary. Jclemens (talk) 01:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The show had 250 episodes. If the character list won't fit on the main page for it, a side article is normally what's done. Dream Focus 06:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if there are 250 episodes of the show, almost no sources show notability of its characters. All the links I've found are either primary sources or user-generated wikis, so can't be used. See [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] Artem.G (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Artem.G, per the relevant guideline, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Your nomination, by contrast, focuses on only the state of the article. Given that the AfD guidelines provide a checklist of steps to carry out before nominating an article, what steps did you take to assess the notability of this particular topic before nominating the article for deletion? Moreover, given that you proposed deleting seven articles (1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7) with nearly identical rationales within the span of just 10 minutes (one of which has already been closed as a speedy keep), what pre-nomination steps could you have even taken in that time? --Usernameunique (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't see how this can be salvageble. A single source for a trivial information point, bloat of infoboxes and entries like List of Horrid Henry characters#Dopey D… or List of Horrid Henry characters#Mouldy Myra. When the parent article (Horrid Henry) has barely any information on the books themselves, a list of characters is a red flag for me. A list of a main characters should be added at the parent article without WP:OR, but this should be deleted. Gonnym (talk) 09:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per WP:ALLPLOT, an unsalvageable article that requires a total rewrite. See also WP:OR. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete mega-fancruft. This is long enough to need an alphabetical directory like a glossary. Maybe a huge, sprawling, massively influential franchise like Star Trek or Middle Earth needs that, but Horrid Henry?! Dronebogus (talk) 14:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The only verifiable information here that would be worth preserving is the cast information for the primary characters, and that is already included on the Horrid Henry (TV series)#Characters and cast and Horrid Henry: The Movie#Cast. The vast majority of the information beyond that is, aside from being unsourced, on completely minor characters that have utterly no notability and barely appeared in any of the books or other media. The essential information on the main cast is already present on several other related pages, and a separate, spinout article is not needed beyond that. Rorshacma (talk) 16:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per WP:LISTN, stand alone lists are notable when reliable sources discuss them as a group or set. I can't find such coverage in reliable sources and so I can't see it as notable. At most this should be extensively trimmed and merged to the main Horrid Henry page. Cakelot1 (talk) 16:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - for failing LISTN. The Keep votes aren't advancing a policy based reason for keeping either - the parent article is a mere 13K in size, so a "size split" makes zero sense, and, if by some miracle sources were found, the character list would need a massive trimming of this exhaustive list of minor characters. The best one could possibly hope for is a merge, and again, that's dependent on finding sourcing... Sergecross73 msg me 13:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - for failing LISTN, no evidence this has been discussed as a group or set. // Timothy :: talk 10:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The keep arguments seem to assume that any TV show's article should have an absolutely exhaustive list of characters, regardless of prominence/sourcing. That's not actually the case. In some cases, there is coverage of many of the specific characters such that we can create a list of characters which meets WP:NLIST and/or could be considered WP:DUE in the main article, but should be spun out for size reasons. But there's nothing to retain here -- it's entirely WP:OR and/or based on the show itself, which doesn't carry any WP:WEIGHT for anything but the most basic facts about it and the plot. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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