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This article has been twice rejected at AFC - rightly in my view - but moved by its creator into mainspace. I think it needs to go back to draft for further work. Too much reliance on primary sources, long sections of unsourced material, and speculation. What is lacking is depth coverage in reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 18:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
::Algeria is hard to source and almost impossible in English. The French article is longer, but not all that much help. It does say that the Algerian were there with armored vehicles. I could, actually, conceive of such a battle being ignored since Algeria would have been newly independent and probably wasn't expected to stand chance against Israel. That doesn't mean that that's what happened though. As far as the author goes, he was a wartime general who saw action in this war. How is that not notable. I think you must be getting that assessment by looking for book reviews or something. I also strongly suggest checking in Arabic. Hth Elinruby (talk) 01:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)<--moving thisto the discussion about the battle in the Yom Kippur War. Elinruby (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
PS can someone tell me the correct way of putting a comment on this stream? at the moment I’m using text edit and it doesn’t produce all the features. Charles.bowyer (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:57, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
SourcesPeople are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
The book notes: "It was commanded throughout by Major L. A. Bethell, O.B.E., who had come to the Regiment from the 8th Gurkhas when he was posted to the 2nd Battalion as a double-company officer on its formation in 1908. He had been with the Assam Military Police for a number of years. Bethell was a strange and in some ways eccentric character, and many stories were told about him and his unorthodox disciplinary methods, but there was never any criticism of his work as the Depot Commander throughout the war, and the 1st Battalion owed him a deep debt of gratitude for the fine drafts he sent it. He never lost sight of the one essential—that the depot existed for the sole purpose of maintaining the Battalion in the field by sending it the best trained material possible in the time available—and he also showed unusual breadth of vision in the great care he took to safe-guard the health and happiness of the families of the men on service. The Indian Army system proved to be antiquated and unsuited to the demands of modern war, and Bethell summed the situation up well when he wrote: ..."
The book further notes: "Bethell profited from the experience of Kitchener's Army in England, and applied the same methods as far as they were applicable to the special conditions of the Indian Army."
The book notes on page 216: "D. S. Meldrum had left the London Office before the war, and from 1920 to 1939 James Blackwood was helped by Lieut. Colonel L. A. Bethell, who wrote in 'Maga' as "Pousse Cailloux" or "Forepoint Severn," and who edited the most successful twelve-volume series of stories collected from the Magazine, "Tales from the Outposts."
The book notes on page 221: "L. A. Bethell had left for work on armament production, and many of the staffs from George Street and Paternoster Row had gone into the Forces."
The advertisement notes:
His Majesty's Shirt-Sleeves. By Pousse Cailloux.
"Deserves the publishers' description of 'epic,' and apart from the element in it, it has a value far beyond that of mere entertainment." —Scotsman
"Can be heartily recommended." —Graphic
"A remarkably fine book." —Morning Post
The book notes on page 53: "During the years 1923–25, while the 1st Battalion was helping to keep the peace around its "home," the 2nd Battalion, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel L. A. Bethell, was farther afield doing a tour of duty in the Khyber. The period proved an uneventful one."
The book notes on page 55: "In May 1924, Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel A. M. Mills, D. S. O., who was later to become Colonel of the Regiment, joined the battalion as 2nd in command. He took over officiating command when Colonel Bethell was invalided home in August of the same year."
The book notes on 164: "271. BETHELL, Major LEONARD ARTHUR. Joined the 2nd Battalion as permanent Commandant from the 1/10th Gurkhas in September 1929, Commanded the Battalion until August 1925. Left the Battalion, on transfer to the 2/10th Gurkhas as Permanent Commandant, in February 1926. O.B.E."
The book notes on page 172: "Rank attained up to 1937: Lieut.-Colonel. Name: L. A. Bethell, O.B.E. Tenure of command: (2nd Bn.) 1922–1926."
The journal notes on 80: "Some months ago, I think it was in the July, 1931, number of "Blackwood's Magazine," an article entitled "Experiments in the Primitive," appeared written under the nom-de-plume of Forepoint Severn. This was an excellent article, covering entirely new ground, in which the author showed, for the first time, probably, in the history of shikar, that there is a definite peculiar influence which man exerts over animals. There is some peculiar form of mental "telepathy" which, if a man sits waiting patiently, murder in his heart, to shoot an animal, seems to warn that animal, who probably never appears. How far that influence can act, and to what range, has not yet been discovered; but that such an influence is present is coming to be more and more universally recognized."
The book notes on page 81: "Anyhow, whatever theories people may have about this, we do all of us owe a debt of gratitude to "Forepoint Severn" for his courage in being the first to bring to light what must, after all, have seemed at first sight to be a crazy theory."
The article notes: "The Garden of the Hesperides: Forepoint Severn (Blackwood; 7s. 6d.). Recollections of travel and. military and sporting life by a retired colonel. Style friendly and spirited, but author inclined to forget that what interests him personally may have little general appeal-e.g., the inclusion of a treatise on apple culture in England, the author's present occupation."
The book notes: ""Forepoint Severn" gives another example of the effect of thought-waves when he was shooting Ammon. He had been watching some of these magnificent wild sheep at rather long range for hours on end waiting for a chance to shoot. At long last he decided to risk the shot, and, simultaneously with his decision, the three Ammon, which had paid no attention to him all day, jumped to their feet, fully alert, even though he had not made the slightest sound or movement. He then states that the Ammon must have instantly become aware of his intention to shoot by means of thought-waves giving them warning of danger."
The article notes: ""His Majesty's Shirt Sleeves," by Pousse Cailloux. Here is a record, obviously based upon fact, of the service rendered by British officers and native troops on the North-East frontier of India. Told with humour, it gives an insight of the price at which security and order are brought in difficult country. (Wm. Blackwood and Sons, Ltd. 7s. 6d.)"
The article notes: "Be his pen-name what the author will, his stories are as English as cricket, and as real. Fiction is his thin veneer over descriptions of the life on the Frontier of white men, Turkos, Tibetans, Pathans, and once at least the pretence of fiction is altogether dropped, and in "A Footnote" we have, with Younghusband as hero and with high praise for mules, direct narrative of a transport officer's experi-ences of the expedition to Lhasa. A woman is present in one story, white heroine of a gruesome tale, sleeping with her husband's corpse till the superstitious bearers brought it, not knowing what they bore, ..."
The article notes: "Eastward, above and beyond the frozen Himalayan heights lay China, potential invader. At home, uneasy Government watching over India. Was the icy barrier inviolable? Was there a way through? Years before, a man said there was, that he had seen it; but he was dead. With his Gurkhas and load carriers, provisioned for many weeks, Forepoint Severn sets out to find the answer. Drummond, officer of pioneers, soldier and explorer, once a noted member of the force that Younghusband had taken to Lhasa, on leave in Scotland, having heard of the quest, takes train to Peking and disappears into the blue. "Look out for me." he writes. Such is the theme of "The Blind Road" by Forepoint Severn (8s 6d, Blackwood), a truly amazing narrative, essentially a man's book, and one that will stir the blood."
The article notes: "Until this book of Forepoint Severn's the North East Frontier has lacked its Herodotus and Xenophon, its Stevenson and Verne. Now we have a man's tale which for vivid incident and descriptive power is likely to be long without a rival. On to his personal knowledge of the grim borderland north of Assam the author has grafted a thrilling and fascinating tale."
The article notes: "There is a strange story in "Blackwood's Magazine" this month. It is called "The Bat Artist." Out East a "bat-artist" is a chatterer, and this story is written by Forepoint Severn. The setting is in the Austrian Tyrol, "some years ago." A Scottish character is introduced in the person of one Brodie-Munro, whose particular obsession is the superiority over all others of the Nordic races."
The article notes: "It is a long time since I read a book of travel and adventure that gripped me as much as "The Blind Road" did. It is a bulky book of 442 pages, but not a page is to be missed; one reads on, enthralled, to the last word. Mr. Severn writes of an expedition, of which he was the leader, through the rain, forests and swamps and amongst the foothills of the north-east frontier of India to investigate the rumour—it was little more—that there was a way, through the great Himalayan chain, between China and India. ... A great story, supremely well told."
Cunard (talk) 09:46, 22 April 2023 (UTC)