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The result was keep‎. Despite a number of comments that fail to cite any relevant policy, consensus is clearly that the subject is sufficiently covered in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Ballers[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The sources available on this consist of a few anti-trans outlets rallying for the movie's message, and a few pro-trans outlets rallying against it. In all this, there is remarkably little coverage of the film itself, which has received no professional reviews – not that surprising given that it's self-distributed. In addition to the sources already in the article, none of which are WP:GENREL, I found the following:

  1. Decider
  2. Voz (Pt)
  3. Nashville Scene
  4. [1]
  5. YahooNews
  6. [2]
  7. [3]
  8. [4]
  9. [5]
So that the article can be improved and expanded. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Decider (website) is owned by WP:NYPOST
  2. I don't see how this is significant coverage. A sentence or two about the film, and a bunch of social media quotes.
  3. This looks ok, but really only tells us there were protestors at some of the filmings, and that the uni canceled.
  4. Blog, but by what seems like a serious critic so probably ok.
  5. Pride.com doesn't look like enough of an RS, and the author doesn't appear to be a professional critic.
  6. This doesn't seem like a reliable source, and it's another one of those articles with little substance but many twitter quotes.
  7. Looks like a blog, author seems to be only known for this blog.
  8. This is anything but RS.
  9. Blog by a serious critic, which would be okay, but it's also only based on the trailer and not as complete as I'd wish
As I see it, we have some bad sources, some more mediocre ones, and one or two blog posts by actual critics. So far, I'm not convinced that this film is actually notable. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Swift probably all bots too. Delete her! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadhockey (talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep This is clearly a film with some cultural significance, at least significant enough to be on Wikipedia. A number of major news outlets have written articles on it, and a sitting US Senator is in it for Pete's sake! The arguments against it in this discussion mostly seem to center around it not having many major reviews yet, but many other movies on Wikipedia don't have the kind of reviews, coverage, or references that people proposing to delete this article say are needed (some examples: 12 Desperate Hours, House of Bones, How to Boil a Frog, trust me there are many, MANY, more). This is an alternative media film on an alternative media platform that just came out about a week ago. Of course not all mainstream outlets have covered it yet! But that doesn't make it insignificant, and more than a few mainstream outlets HAVE covered it at this point. It is MORE THAN A LITTLE suspicious that this PARTICULAR film article is being nominated for deletion while so many other film articles that are less significant and with less coverage are left up without challenge. I believe there is a distinct possibility that the nomination was made with another agenda in mind given that the film is more than a little controversial. It should not go unnoticed that the user who nominated this article is clearly someone who would likely not want such a film was made. I am not making a commentary on whether the movie or article are good, I doubt I would like the movie and the article clearly needs a better plot summary at least. I am simply saying that it is clear that this article should NOT be deleted and that if Wikipedia wishes to be seen as somewhat neutral and independent, agenda driven removal of articles, like I believe this nomination may be, should not be tolerated.
136.62.1.224 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article states: "The conservative pundits at the Daily Wire predicted that their first feature-length comedy, “Lady Ballers,” would trigger the left, and they weren’t wrong. Transgender advocates sounded the alarm as the film’s release approached, accusing the movie of seeking to “mock trans women and girls who are fighting for the right to participate in sports as their gender,” as LGBTQ Nation put it.nThat, of course, is the point of “Lady Ballers,” the story of a has-been men’s basketball coach who convinces the players on his former high school championship team to identify as female so that they can dominate multiple women’s sports."
The article states: "The far-right and viciously anti-trans Daily Wire has announced its first feature-length comedy film written to mock trans women and girls who are fighting for the right to participate in sports as their gender. A trailer for the film entitled Lady Ballers depicts a group of cisgender men deciding to pretend to be trans women and join a women’s basketball league as one team with the intent of dominating the sport."
The article states: "The premise of Lady Ballers seems to be that any out-of-shape 50-year-old white man is, by nature of being a man, a better athlete than any woman could ever hope to be. You see, women are just factually bad at sports, this movie states. It follows a high school basketball coach who gets his old team of guys who peaked in high school together to dominate a women’s basketball league and other women’s sports. It takes the false idea that anywhere at any time a cis man can claim he is a woman and enter any women’s sporting event. But the fun doesn’t stop there. It goes even further, saying that when cis men do that, they become unstoppable forces on the field."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lady Ballers to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

बिनोद थारू (talk) 05:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

contribs) 16:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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