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The result was redirect‎ to Kiedrowice. RL0919 (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This was prodded by Edward-Woodrow but de-prodded by Espresso Addict.

The location for this "hamlet" given in the article is the local forestry office for the village of Kiedrowice (see here), the centre of which is located a short distance away and for which we already have an article.

As such this article is self-evidently just a duplication.

Looking at the 2012 location-names law, this lists a "forest settlement" (osada leśna) called Kiedrowice in Lipnica as well as a "village" (wieś) with the same name also in Lipnica - there is no reason given here not to believe these are not exactly the same thing, included as a clerical artefact in this 1500+ page long document. The relevant content of the 2015 law is identical. The 1746-page-long postal directory lists two addresses called "Kiedrowice" - Kiedrowice and Kiedrowice (Karcz) (i.e., remnant, or "stub", though there does appear to be another hamlet called Karcz in the general area with a different PNA), evidently the same location as they have the same PNA. None of these have any data giving the actual location of these places (which begs the question of where the location in the article comes from), nor their population.

A WP:BEFORE search is meaningless as results are found for the village. The Polish article is identical except that it identifies it as a "forest settlement".

Normally it would be reasonable to propose merging, but there is nothing to merge here since the details are essentially the same (same post-code, some other details).

This is what happens when articles are generated at speed from sources that do no more than list names in a geographical hierarchy - the creator spent about 4 minutes on this article and I've now spent ~30 minutes doing this review. FOARP (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We've argued that one to death and I don't think we're going to see much movement for a while at least. What I'd like to know is where the location data came from, as it's not in any of the sources in the article. FOARP (talk) 19:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we could get into attribution issues if you've taken content from Kiedrowice (hamlet) and used it in another article?? Not an area I have any expertise in. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:44, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no attribution issue with taking content from one page and adding it to another, that already recited essentially the same information (i.e., that Kiedrowice is a village in Gmina Lipnica). FOARP (talk) 09:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 00:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.