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Disagree, Shani might not be notable as you put it. But she deserves to be remembered separately, for many Shani is who they think of when they think of all that’s happened. She nor any of the victims should ever just be erased just because they aren’t notable to you. I don’t see any reality person as notable but many have their own page, so why can’t Shani keep her page? Does it really hurt you or anyone else to keep it? 2A02:C7C:8ACE:1000:EDE3:F440:ED9C:E027 (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Completely disagree that "this is a biography by another name". The article covers the kidnapping much more than her life (which just gets a small section). The only thing that could suggest this idea was the lead, which was easily adjusted. Also disagree that the topic is better covered at Re'im music festival massacre. Shani Louk's kidnapping in specific received a large amount of significant coverage in reliable and independent sources, making it independently notable with enough content to be split from the Re'im article. Skyshiftertalk22:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the music festival article, her situation was not much different than any of the other victims, one of a few "sub-events" as part of the main "event", being the music festival attack as the main event. The individual alone was not notable, and there isn't really a reason her kidnapping is more important than the other victims. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Most of the sourcing used is about the music festival, not about the individual, other than articles that seem to concentrate on her looks. Most sourcing I've seen talks about her looks, which doesn't help build notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As per WP:Notability. Extensively covered in the media, and multiple sources can be found to cite areas of concern. Can be adjusted accordingly as further details and developments are released. Also agree with Oaktree b's observation regarding the unveiled personal feelings of a few contributors to this discussion. Nothing flouts NPOV.--Kieronoldham (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is not a violation of WP:BLP1E, as this is an event, not a biography. After all, for people covered in the context of one event, our guidelines are explicit that [t]he general rule is to cover the event. This article does just that.As for WP:NEVENT, this has been covered in-depth by diverse international reliable sources over an extended period of time—from the date of the kidnapping through and in the immediate aftermath of Louk's reported death. There have even been follow-ups, with major newspapers like The Timesreaching out to the family, interviewing them, and making a feature story about it. This shows a good bit of persistence in the coverage of the story through this point. I obviously I can't predict the future regarding how future coverage will go, but rote speculation on how future coverage will go seems dubious as an affirmative reason for deletion. Looking through this light, this event probably meets WP:EVENTCRIT#2, and it therefore should be kept at this time. — Red-tailed hawk(nest)06:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong independent and in-depth reliable and verifiable sourcing from around the globe demonstrates that hrr kidnapping / murder is independently notable. Alansohn (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.