The result was no consensus. The reasons outlined for both sides of the argument here make it impossible to close this debate with any definitive consensus given. One (talk) 04:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article is a WP:POVFORK of content that belongs in Demographics of Jerusalem, History of Jerusalem, East Jerusalem, and several other articles. It is also a WP:SYNTH of various opinion pieces, concocted to promote a thesis. Nudve (talk) 16:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Note The first nomination was probably a Twinkle malfunction. I ask that the admin reviewing this delete it and consider this the first AfD discussion. -- Nudve (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Important Comment The article has been under great improvemnt by Tiamut, her improvement of the article started after 23 Mar, I beleive for those who has voted before this date it might be better to revisit the article and reconsider their votes. For the records, quick review of the votes shows that 11 users voted to Delete on 23 Mar only, and during 24 Mar and 25 Mar only 6 users voted to Delete maybe this shows that article has became more balanced. Yamanam (talk) 14:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
κατὰ πόλιν καὶ χώραν, οὗ ἂν ἐξετέθη τὸ πρόσταγμα, οὗ ἂν ἐξετέθη τὸ ἔκθεμα, χαρὰ καὶ εὐφροσύνη τοῖς Ιουδαίοις, κώθων καὶ εὐφροσύνη, καὶ πολλοὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν περιετέμοντο καὶ ιουδάιζον διὰ τὸν φόβον τῶν Ιουδαίων.
Obvious Keep. well-sourced and notable. charges of povforking and synth are unfounded - if some editors think that a notable and reliably sourced topic "makes israel look bad" that is not a reason to delete it. if the content of the article itself is unbalanced to "make israel look bad," it needs content based on reliable sources to show the other pov, used with due weight. untwirl(talk) 16:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would reply to Malcolm's attempt to find WP:RS for his thesis that 'Judaisation' as in 'Judaisation of Jerusalem' is antiSemitic, but (a) a chair is uncomfortable for anyone forced to listen to a wearisome argument, and my reply would require, in courtesy, that someone supply the admin with a divan instead, (with a few headache tablets if the effects of my refutation proved somniferous) and (b) Olmert, when he was mayor of Jerusalem, is quoted in German sources as saying the latest landgrab will ensure an irreversible Judaising of the city ('Die jüngste Landenteignung, so erklärte Jerusalems Bürgermeister Ehud Olmert am 4. Mai, will die Judaisierung der Stadt zu einer unwiderruflichen Tatsache machen'.Die Zeit, May, 1995 ). Meron Benvenisti, Baruch Kimmerling, Oren Yiftachel, Israel Shahak are, since they are Israeli scholars who use or used this word, all tone-deaf to the Nazi-echoes picked up by Malcolm's reliable sources, some of which Frontpage Magazine, are not reliable, and others, had he read them, deal with things like Protestant translations of the Tanakh in the 16th century. Shahak was a survivor of the Holocaust, and yet called a spade a spade. But I don't think it worth the trouble, since German RS like die Zeit say Ehud Olmert himself subscribes to the word and policy. However, if Malcolm does want a point by point refutation, suffice it to ask for it, but only if he can accomodate the admin on watch here in a more comfortable observation point, i.e., a bed.Nishidani (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to Nur Masalha, the International Christian Embassy in Jersualem (ICEJ), established in 1980 in the former home of Edward Said, supports "exclusive Israeli sovereignty over the city and the Judaisation of Arab East Jerusalem."[1]
The Elad Association promotes the Judaization of East Jerusalem. Operating in the city for some 20 years to acquire properties belonging to Palestinians in Kfar Silwan, Palestinians say it has "taken over" substantial sections of the village.[2] Elad also funds the digs being conducted near the Temple Mount. In 2008, Haaretz reported that at least 100 skeletons dating to the Islamic era (c. 8th-9th centuries AD) found a few hundred meters from Al-Aqsa mosque were removed and packed into crates before they could be examined by archaeological experts.[3] The excavations at Al-Aqsa are described in Arab media in the context of Israeli efforts to Judaise Jerusalem.[4]
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The section is typical of the article. Note the discrediting of the Christian organization with the assertion that it occupies [[Edward Said]'s old Jerusalem home. Of course, Said grew up in Cairo. This was his Aunt's home, which he sometimes visited on vacation. I assume that the church purchased the property. The excavations are in the City of David, which is sort of near the Temple Mount, a the nearest part of teh excavaton to the southern wall of the temple is a ten minute walk away. And of course the entre dig (actually , series of digs) is on land that was unoccupied until the twentieth century, Silwan was the histori village on the far side of the steep valley. No one lived on the ridge of the City of David until the Jewish Meyuchas family built a house there. There were olive trees. I am not certain who owned those trees. The lies and half-truths are in this article are legion. Nationalist Propaganda is like that.Historicist (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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