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The result was delete due to lack of significant coverage to support notability. The prospect of a redirect did not receive support to create an alternative consensus. RL0919 (talk) 06:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

John Moralis[edit]

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The subject lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple, reliable and independent sources and thus fails WP:GNG. The subject also fails WP:NOLYMPICS in that he did not win a medal. In this case, Moralis not only didn't medal -- he actually did not even finish the event. See Athletics at the 1932 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 kilometres walk. Cbl62 (talk) 13:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. Clearly doesn't pass WP:GNG. Spf121188 (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is there a website that contains old Greek newspaper archives? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on his being named John and representing the club "Ellinoamerikanos AS, New York", he had probably migrated to the US at the time. As a result, the coverage in Greek could be limited. Geschichte (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no significant coverage. The fact that some Olympic competititors did not even finish their events is one of the reasons why the old practice of assuming every Olympic competitor was default notable was just downright ludicrous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Redirect to Athletics at the 1932 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 kilometres walk per WP:ATD. All the information can be found there. In the future, I would encourage editors to simply be bold and redirect these pages where an obvious target exists and notability is clearly not met rather than create a bunch of AfDs. Smartyllama (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have found this NYT article titled MORALIS CAPTURES CENTRAL PARK WALK; Scores in 6 -Mile handicap and this article from the Frederick News-Post. GPL93 (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GPL93: Do you think those qualify as SIGCOV? Cbl62 (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cbl62: I think probably the NYT is, the other I'm not as sure about given its a quick writeup of him visiting Frederick, MD. I should also note that "John" appears to have been his Americanized name and his actual name was Ioannis so there might be more referencing under that name. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. SIGCOV in the NYT would be impressive. Was it just about the results of a local race in NYC or more broadly about him? Cbl62 (talk) 21:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting per sources presented later in the discussion, and the discussion about sources that has ensued.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the NYT piece. It is a brief report on results of a six-mile walk around Central Park hosted by Moralis's athletic club. There is nothing biographical about Moralis. Doesn't rise to the level of SIGCOV. As for redirecting to Athletics at the 1932 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 kilometres walk, I don't think that's warranted given that Moralis did not even finish the race. Cbl62 (talk) 19:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Some people seem to think that every mention in the New York Times is default a sign that anything named there deserves an article. Especially before 1950, we have to have skepticism that every mention by the New York Times of events and people in the New York City area is the type of reference that automatically insures they are notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. We also have to keep in mind that name dropping is not always the same as significant coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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