This discussion was subject to a deletion review on 2012 May 24. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
The result was delete. Of the 36 participants in this discussion, 23 !voted for deletion, which is a reasonable 64%, and a number of those reconfirmed their vote after reading through the ongoing discussion, while one of those !voting to keep, offered little rationale – “I think the page should be kept” The arguments for and against deletion focused on the quantity and quality of the coverage in sources. John J. Bulten (JJB) offered an impressive list of sources; however, as pointed out, these did not deal with the topic with the significant detail required in the GNG. Claims that the topic meant with criteria in WP:Prof are rigorously challenged, and the strongest claim, that he is an “elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society”, is disputed, though not completely dismissed. The strongest argument for keeping, as put forward by DGG, is that under WP:AUTHOR he has some notability as he has created a well known work that has been the subject of multiple reviews. However this is disputed as the main work reviewed was assembled rather than created by the topic. This AfD discussion was initially closed as No consensus then undone as the original closer felt unable to put forward a closing rationale, and discussion continued on the article talkpage, which has been consulted. Overall there is significant enough consensus that notability has not been established for this topic, and deletion is the appropriate option. However, I will userfy the material on request to allow work to continue until notability can be established. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Unable to find secondary sources to demonstrate his notability as a BLP here. Most sources of his degrees, honors and professional positions are self-claims like the autobiographical blurbs in books he's authored. Cite to Richard Dawkins only mentions Ashton's name in passing, as the individual who compiled the book containing an article written by the individual (Kurt Wise) Dawkins is critiquing. The two subject areas which Ashton appears to have published are rife with pseudoscience (creationism and purported health claims attributable to foods/vitamins/minerals) promoted with a PhD, and his PhD doesn't appear to be in science or medicine. Professor marginalia (talk) 21:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the page should be kept. Mormon Man (talk) 01:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As with any debate concise presentation of the most important facts is the way to win your argument. Complex and confusing arguments cannot help make a point. It should not be necessary if to construct complex arguments involving novel theories of notability.
It's not realistic to expect everybody to review every single source attached to this article given that a random spot-check shows that great many links are of dubious reliability, quality or relevance. That's why I've repeatedly asked the keepers to think about they way they are presenting their argument and try to focus on what is important.
I'd urge anybody who backs keeping this article to focus on one or two sources which they consider most convincing. Simply present your two best sources (with links) and let them speak for themselves. That's pretty much all we require for GNG. --Salimfadhley (talk) 11:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to stop reading when you've seen two sources that convince you. Here's the baseline again.
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Move to close debateI think we have debated this topic sufficiently. We appear to have reached a state of deadlock. I do not feel that the keepers feel any urge to approach this AFD differently. I do not detect any change amongst the deleters. There is probably not much more that needs to be said on either side. Could you kindly vote "close" if you want to end the discussion or "not close" if you feel there are significant issues which we have not yet addressed. --Salimfadhley (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This section is as patently problematic as asking for two refs, seeing the two refs provided on one line, and asking them to be moved onto two lines before replying to them. Not looking for the policy that say that right now though. JJB 01:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
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