The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A merger discussion, which seems to be what this is headed toward, doesn't require continuing of this AfD. Star Mississippi 11:47, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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jog is not village this article is duplicate of Kargal , and i want to give some info regarding this why i nominated for deletion:

jog is not village and there is no such place located in karnataka state of india.

jog falls got its name from "jog kargal town" and this town have it's own wiki article with detailed info kargal you can check that. this town govenment website is www.jogkargaltown.mrc.gov.in/en/about-tp , this Official govenment Website have all detailed info you can verify it yourself.

census mentioned in jog, karnataka article also wrong and there reference doesn't have any word jog,

There is no good reason for merging of Jog, Karnataka with Kargal beacuse Kargal article is actually correct and Jog, Karnataka is vandalised over a time .

Jog Falls water falls also have it's own article. Gerusoppa village is also have its own article. Kargal Jog Kargal Town also have it's own article.

Than what is the need of this duplicate, vandalised, fake referenced article Jog, Karnataka ???? Nimmoun (talk) 05:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Karnataka-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Nominator's rationale does not make sense. The existence of Jog as a village in Karnataka is verified by the two sources already given on the page. Jog Falls is a waterfall that is in or near the village; the village and its associated waterfalls are not the same entity. The source given regarding "Jog Kargal town" cannot be reached (at least not by me) so I cannot verify the nominator's claim of any information contained there. The claim that the article has been vandalized over time is not a reason to delete the article. Nominator will have to provide better sourcing to show that Jog and Kargal are, in fact, the same town. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete www.jogkargaltown.mrc.gov.in/en/about-tp this govenment website is may be blocking traffic from non Indian users so try to use Indian VPN to access this site, if you can't than I have some other sources which Related to This Jog Kargal Town (Jog and Kargal is not different place )
  

1) www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/lokayukta-police-arrest-jog-kargal-town-panchayat-member/article66165562.ece
2) shimoga.nic.in/en/public-utility/town-panchayath-sagara/
3) environmentclearance.nic.in/auth/FORM_A_PDF.aspx?cat_id=IA%2FKA%2FRIV%2F62455%2F2017&pid=New
4)Kannada language source vijaykarnataka.com/news/shivamogga/solid-waste-disposal-unit-in-jog-kargal-pattana-panchayati/videoshow/86141905.cms please use translator Kannada to English for eg. Google translator, this sources mentions Jog-Kargal Town .

5) Kannada language source : www.prajavani.net/district/election-results-of-jog-kargal-pattana-panchayati-682074.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimmoun (talk • contribs)

• Comment I know little of the Indian system of local government, but from what Nimmoun has provided, there is either a single place called Jog-Kargal, or two separate places (Jog and Kargal) that are governed by a single panchayat. In the former case, a merge of the two pages would be appropriate. In the latter case, both articles should be retained. In neither case should the Jog article be simply deleted. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply Jog, Karnataka and Kargal is not different place,it is one place it is Officially Called "Jog Kargal" , as USER suggested to Merge i support it, but merge should be blanking this page and redirect to Kargal article is enough, and there is nothing copy paste required.

• Comment

Clarification for the Recent addition of Names Section in Jog, Karnataka article.
Jog, Karnataka#Names

Gerusoppa and Jog Kargal was not same both are different places. Gerusoppa is in Uttara Kannada district and Jog Kargal is in Shivamogga District.

• Jog Falls was got two name from two different Villages.

Before Indipendence of India , Jog Falls was Part Of British Government Bombay Presidencys, Uttara Kannada district, So Britishers Named this place as Gerusoppa Falls beacuse Gerusoppa was Nearest village to this water falls which is under their government.
And at the same time Water falls Front View Point is part of Mysore Kingdoms Shivamogga District, So Mysore Govenment Named this view point/falls as "Jog Falls" beacuse Jog Kargal is nearest village to this Water falls which is Administrated by their govenment.
The Jog Falls was a Natural Border between the Bombay Presidency and Kingdom of Mysore,
This is how Jog Falls got two name .such as Jog Falls, Gerusoppa Falls.

Even After Indipendence, Still now : View Point and Water Falls is in two different district Uttara Kannada and Shivamogga District, the offical District adminstration Website also mentioned the same. Visit shimoga.nic.in/en/tourist-place/jogfalls/,

So summery is Gerusoppa and Jog Kargal was two different Villages nearest to Jog Falls and Jog, Karnataka#Names was mistakenly added by other editor After proposed to deletion.

I support for both deletion or Merge. But if the choice of the administrator is Merging than i request to Just blank the Jog, Karnataka and give the redirect to Kargal, please don't copy anything from Jog, Karnataka and paste it in Kargal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimmoun (talk • contribs) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:34, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nimmoun: You have made a lot of claims here about how Jog and/or Jog Falls came to be, but you have provided no sources. The sources you have provided mention an entity called the "Jog-Kargal Panchayat" as well as an entity called "Jog Falls", but you have provided no evidence that Jog, Kargal and Jog Falls are not, in fact, three separate entities. You make know this, but you cannot provide reliable sources to prove this. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:34, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Gerusoppa was under Bombay Presidency Uttara Kannada district .bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/others/how-jog-falls-got-to-the-bottom-of-the-atlantic-ocean/articleshow/21506931.cms

Jog Kargal is official name ; environmentclearance.nic.in/auth/FORM_A_PDF.aspx?cat_id=IA%2FKA%2FRIV%2F62455%2F2017&pid=New

This is a official website of govenment of India just check the domain it is ended with .nic.in so it is reliable source. Now Visit it and see point 9 , they mentioned Jog- Kargal village, Sagar taluk, Shivamogga District
so now it is clear Jog, Karnataka and Kargal is not different but the same and it is Officially called Jog Kargal, located in Shivamogga district.

Regarding my Claim;

Jog Falls it's water falls is in Uttara Kannada district and View Point is in Shivamogga District ; Source; shimoga.nic.in/en/tourist-place/jogfalls/.

Nimmoun (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@WikiDan61: Sir, Jog, Karnataka is also doesn't meet Wikipedia's Notability Guidlines to have its article on wiki. WP:NGEO, WP:NPLACE , Sir as your supporting to Keep I request you to please add multiple, independent reliable sources to the article. Nimmoun (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge: The article was originally about Jog Falls, which the 2001 census says is a Notified Area Council. Its was changed to Jog and was said to be about a village, but no sources were cited. Jog Falls isn't in the 2011 census; it was replaced by Jog Kargal, a town panchayat - I don't know if the boundaries changed or just the name. https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/others/how-jog-falls-got-to-the-bottom-of-the-atlantic-ocean/articleshow/21506931.cms mentions a village called Jog. From Google Books, there is the Karnataka State Gazetteer (1975) which mentions that "Jog is a hamlet of Kargal", and it looks like the 1991 census has Jog and Kargal as places in the town of Jog Falls. It's unclear whether it was ever officially a village; if it was confirmed then it could stay as a separate article, but most of the content there now is about Jog Falls which should be combined with Kargal (where the only source calls uses the name Jog Kargal) for a Jog Kargal article. Peter James (talk) 19:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The nominator, Nimmoun, has made their point abundantly and I would recommend that they stop repeating themselves, so that this does not become a WP:BLUDGEON situation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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