The result was - Delete - Peripitus (Talk) 11:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable band. In Google search, I found only a couple of trivial mentions. No evidence of meeting WP:MUSIC. BRMo (talk) 23:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you actually look into the history of both bands, that would only confuse matters. The reason being, is that both bands previously existed separately from each other and of their own accord. Yes, both Horan and Toth were later in Vertical Horizon, but they joined at different times. In other words, VH was NOT a spinoff band, per se, of JC. The only way for this to be clearly explained, is by having the two pages continue to separately exist (as it is now), just as the bands were separately existing. I really believe that, when in doubt, error must be made on the side that WP exists to make subjects (and their histories) MORE easily understood, as opposed to the opposite.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 21:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be counter to the common sense clause in WP MUSIC. Again, I defer to my previous statement. The purpose of WP is NOT to confuse matters.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 21:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is completely absurd, on so many levels. I don't know where to even start. The main point is that you even admitted yourself that they ARE notable. (As if we need your vote, one way or another.) WP MUSIC is very clear. You are going to have a TON of people very upset with you, if they are merged. (Plus, most of WP is stubs.) I again defer to my previous comments. (I'm done..over and out.) Have a good one.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add the following, since you asked (and then I need a break from WP for a while): It would be like merging Canada, the US and Mexico together. After all, they ARE all in North America, right? So, let's do that. It makes the same amount of sense.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC):[reply]
As for proving my point, this last one really takes the cake. I really should just stop, because you are pretty much just taking care of my argument for me, all by yourself. OK, first of all, it appears that the Get Up Kids are just BARELY notable themselves. Secondly, it appears they have had several spinoff bands (none of which appears to be notable, on its own) and EACH of these bands has its own SEPARATE and relatively lengthy entry.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 10:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you hit the nail on the head. Jennifer Culture was NOT an earlier band OF Vertical Horizon, in that, they had nothing, at all, to do with each other for the first several years of each of them. It does make sense for the Get Up Kids, however, because that band was, apparently, a direct spinoff band of a previously existing band...and then the Kids had their own spinoff bands..etc etc. It is kind of like a timeline. I see that. But, the history of JC and VH is not like that, at all, which is why it does not make sense in this case. I really don't care, though, as it is no skin off of my nose. If it is merged, you will have, likely hundreds, if not thousands, of VH fans (and maybe a few JC fans) take to the streets and then take over WP. I, personally, will have nothing more to do with any of this, in any way, whatsoever. I wash my hands of it entirely. But, my logic, votes, comments, views, opinions and research results all remain the same.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw your message on my temporary talk page. I'm not turned off of WP, but I am turned off, a bit, by some aspects of all the red tape, some of which I believe actually serves to lessen the quality of WP. But, that is a discussion for another time and place. But, in any event, I appreciate your offer and I just may take you up on that. So, no hard feelings. I know that none of this is personal, on either end. It's just a debate; one which will hopefully serve its intended purpose, in the end. Thanks again..and take care. I'm sure I will pop up again at some point. :) --70.156.170.194 (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I will have to agree with you regarding TGUKs' notability.--70.156.170.194 (talk) 18:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Rwiggum...whats up?! I thought we had made nice...why are you slammin all of my boys now??? Even though most everything Ive contributed to in WP music is getting slammed, I still stand by THAT THIS BAND IS CLEARLY NOTABLE AND DOES IN FACT MEET WP MUSIC STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You FREAKIN people!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE THE F##K UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.170.194 (talk) 02:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WPBandC6 makes it COMPLETELY CLEAR that this band IS NOTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to question...what the hell is wrong with you people??!! Are you having touble with ESOL classes??? GRADUATE that first and THEN come back to WP!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.170.194 (talk) 03:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]