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The result of the debate was keep -- Joolz 21:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Janelle Pierzina[edit]

This is an unusual case.

This article (concerning a cast member of the television show Big Brother) was originally listed for deletion on 1 September. On 8 September, I closed out a number of AfDs, including the one in question. I interpreted the discussion as a rough consensus to redirect the article to the main Big Brother television series article. Two users took issue with my interpretation of the AfD, so in the interests of total transparency I made a detailed enumeration of my logic on the article's talk page. A number of users continued to express concern over my handling of the matter, and have called the fairness of my actions into question.

I do not believe that I did anything wrong in the closing of this AfD; I stand by my decision. My action, however, has created sufficient consternation that I feel it is necessary to re-list the article here at AfD and allow an opportunity for a clearer consensus to be reached. I will not be closing this AfD, and my nomination here does not constitute any sort of vote. Fernando Rizo T/C 10:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - One of the most notable members of a hit show on prime-time nationally broadcast network TV. She was a nationally published model, before even going on the show. National media coverage of her as an individual, including controversies, have beeen covered by the media. Her weekly deeds are followed by millions. She is one of just four remaining contestants on show. She's been on most of the season. She was voted one of two most popular in nationwide pole. A good stable precident is Canadian Idol which typically has 8-10 articles per season for contestants. Strong keep for high notability. --rob 11:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Big Brother has been going on for several years in several countries. The shows have their entries and until something exceptional can be said about Janelle, please merge into the article for that BB run. Pilatus 13:48, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect as per Pilatus. FreplySpang (talk) 14:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm of the opinion that the decision on whether to merge is an editing matter and should be decided by the consensus of editors on an ongoing basis. Fernando Rizo did a good faith close and his decision was fair, and I affirm his right to exclude the opinions of editors with few edits on the basis of their inexperience. But I've given this a lot of thought myself in the past, and after much reflection I've decided that it's not my business as an AfD closer to go around telling editors that they can't ever make or break a redirect because the outcome of an AfD debate some time in the past supported that redirect. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 15:16, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: To those supporting a merge, any and all BB merger discussion should be in one central spot: Talk:Big Brother (USA TV series)#Merge. So far, any suggestion of merger has been rejected by editors of the main article, partly because the article is already to big. Hence, a vote here for a merge, won't result in a merge, but rather (what amounts to) a page blanking. --rob 15:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• keep please wikipedia is not paper and this is a real long article so why should we redirect it that does not even make sense Yuckfoo 17:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Janelle, as I previously said, is The PEOPLE'S favourite to win the show. Having other members on Wikipedia who are not even questioned is found unfair. Keep her.

Gian89 14:36, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, too big to merge. Andrew pmk | Talk 18:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment- seeing as my last vote was discounted for not crossing the edit threshold (which I understand, although it's a little irritating), I just want to add that my vote would still be Keep- Janelle has been one of the summer's breakout stars on a show that is consistently rated in the top 15 of the Nielsen ratings. I don't advocate a page for every contestant on the show, but for a person as popular as Janelle a page should be created (at least for the wiki-niche of reality nuts). --PatadyBag 18:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, nn participant in not-so-popular reality show. Zoe 20:47, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Reply: "CBS's Big Brother 6 premiered well on Thursday, handily winning its 8-9PM ET/PT time period in both total viewers and key demographics and teaming with CSI and Without A Trace repeats to lead CBS to a clean sweep in the night's primetime ratings. " [1]. Note: This same voter has voted against every reality contestant, no matter how famous, but also (initially) voted to keep a non-existent author until I explained why it's wrong to do so. I'm hoping the voter, will once again, realize their mistake, and change the vote, based on the facts, not bias. --rob 22:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • "premiered" is not "maintained its audience". Tell me where it ranks now, not what it ranked in the first episode. And I am only voting delete because of all of the POV pushers who insist on keeping these as sepearate articles on the day-to-day eating habits of people who should be merged and redirected to the Big Brother article. And your comments on Katherine Beck are completely inappropriate and as a result, I will change my vote back. Zoe 04:20, September 11,

2005 (UTC)

• • • • Well, as of the last week there are published ratings for, it was the 18th most popular show of the week and won it's time period with over 8 million viewers. [2] Not bad for a "not-so-popular" show. --Firedrake 04:54, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, and by the way, I watch this stupid show. So it isn't elitism or anything like that, it's a matter of trying to figure what makes any of these pathetic people notable. And the answer is, nothing. Zoe 04:24, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: On it's sixth season, it opened at 8.5 million and still has 8.2 million; that sounds like a "maintained audience" to me. With only four contestants left, that's over two million per contestant. I'm curious: how many millions of people have to note somebody before they are deemed notable? --rob 06:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• keep, nationally published models are just as notable as Cyrus Farivar. Kappa 22:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is absolute nonsense. Every "model" who has ever appeared in any maagazine is notable? What a crock. Zoe 04:20, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
    • Hmm that's not very civil. However she seems less notable as a model than was my first impression, so I'll vote keep based on the fact she is in the public eye. Kappa 12:44, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets Pikachu standard --JPotter 00:53, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect this to Big Brother (USA TV series), unless there is notability other than the show. I think that this should happen for all contestants in reality TV shows. --Apyule 08:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, OK so it looks like we're trying it one more time. For an explanation of my vote, see the last voting page. I'm voting for keep again, but I don't know if my vote will be counted or not. I think the administrator should have explained in the introduction above that some votes are not counted and deciding which ones is up to him. This would prevent people like me from wasting their time, but I'm willing to give another chance, Keep. Paul99 12:14, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The most popular contestant; she is at least as notable as some of the wrestlers and fictional characters that have survided these things. Youngamerican 16:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, yet again. Do not redirect. —RaD Man (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with article on show itself.---CH (talk) 04:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Once more with feeling. Maybe we can get CBS to have the next America's Choice be which houseguest you'd like to have a bio page on Wikipedia. Get a few million votes that way <g>. Seriously though, This deserves to be kept for reasons stated by many. She's notable (especially to Big Brother fans), popular and has achievements outside of this show.

--66.149.92.242 14:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, my vote will be ignored because they consider me an "anon", even though I have been here for a long time and have plenty of edits and I know this subject (BB) very well. If I create an account to vote, it will still be ignored. So I guess I am voting for nothing, but trying anyway. 32.97.110.142 18:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep rob and the others here have pretty much listed all the reasons. She's a popular contestant, a model and an actress, which should make her more than notable enough. Heck, she may even win it!--Firedrake 23:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The first time this article was nominated for deletion I had supported this article with a weak keep. [3] Since then I have changed my mind and now believe it should firmly be kept as a stand alone article. This figure meets the criteria set forth by WP:BIO by being a contestant on a nationally broadcast reality television show, engaging in a Playboy photoshoot, garnering the attention of The Smoking Gun, and a playing a minor role in the film Bruce Almighty, amongst other things. Collectively, all of this adds up to individual notability and does not need to be shunted into a parent article. Hall Monitor 23:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Janelle is a major reality TV star (its not like shes one of those random people who left in the first week) OmegaWikipedia 03:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I can't stand the woman personally, and I agree that every person who was on a reality show is not deserving of an entry, but Pierzina has filmed a major television pilot (despite it's not being picked up) and has appeared in several other acting roles. It seems that she is primed for a legitimate career along the lines of Jacinda Barrett, and deleting the article now will only postpone what is very likely to come. Pacian 08:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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