The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jaguar (cartoonist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

lacks evidence to prove he meets WP:CREATIVE Michellecrisp (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Strong keep - Meet WP:N, he together with Millôr Fernandes, Ziraldo and Prosperi criticized in the newspaper O Pasquim the Brazilian military dictatorship that installed itself after 1964. Jaguar however has been heavily criticized for receiving about US$500,000 in compensation for the persecution he suffered during those years. He was arrested by the censorship.

The article Millôr Fernandes is also being AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Millôr Fernandes. EconomistBR 23:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I just noticed the article was created 3 years ago has been edited less than 10 times, still has no sources and is still a low-quality stub. Keeping low quality rarely edited stubs is against my basic Wikiprinciples. Delete per WP:Source and WP:CREATIVE. EconomistBR 00:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Keeping this may be against your principles, but it's not against Wikipedia's principles. The solution to the problem of having a low-quality stub on a subject that you know to be notable is to improve it, not to call for its deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I disagree, if the article is low quality and rarelly edited as this one is, it should be deleted. This article was given 3 years to comply with Wikipedia policy, it failed, it should be deleted without discussion. The page is of a such low quality that it is violating the basic WP:Verifiability policy, on which WP:BIO depends on. Yet Jaguar (cartoonist) is going to kept despite of the WP:Verifiability violations and despite of the fact that it is de facto abandoned. EconomistBR 18:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Please add citations for the above in the main article. Thanks. Michellecrisp (talk) 23:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

:::English sources are hard to find but I managed to find this: Google books - Brazil in the Making By Carmen Nava

• • Note that the reason this comment by Michellecrisp appears out-of-context is this edit by EconomistBR removing his previous posting. I'm not going to try to fix this, now, but I suggest that if you change your mind on any discussion page, it is better to strikeout your previous comment rather than remove it: especially if another user has replied. AndyJones (talk) 13:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable brazilian cartoonist. Portuguese wiki presents reliable sources in Portuguese. I present [1], article about Jaguar's interview in TV Senado, the governmental channel of TV, in 2007 July. And [2], [3], [4], [5], about indenization for political perseguition. There is quotes of Jaguar in Portuguese Wikiquote. Zero Kitsune (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. —Cunard (talk) 06:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Zero Kitsune has demonstrated notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:V and WP:NOTE. AfD is not cleanup. --Gene_poole (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.