The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per WP:SNOW, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Rohach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Circular notability issue. This page was created to provide a notability argument for Ivan Rohach's inclusion in either the Babi Yar article or the POV fork List of victims of the Babi Yar massacre (currently under afd discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Babi Yar massacre. In fact, +"Ivan Rohach" -wikipedia produces but a few dozen 16, mostly repetitive hits. Jd2718 (talk) 02:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. That's not a good enough reason for deletion of this article. Ostap 03:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sufficiently notable.Galassi (talk) 11:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  
• Keep. The person is a respected writer and newspaper editor who was murdered by the Nazi's at Babi Yar. Articles about him exist in the Ukrainian language Encyclopedias, including the Ukrainian, Russian and Hungarian Wikipedias. Jd2718 is being a nuisance and pushing his personal POV and views here, and in other articles dealing with Ukrainians and Ukrainian issues. Bandurist (talk) 03:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Bandurist, in future please do not canvass, as you did for this AFD. --Dhartung | Talk 05:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The subject may not be a household name but its articles such as these that make wikipedia richer. Eduvalko (talk) 03:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable per the terms of WP:N.--Father Goose (talk) 03:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. Seems notable but in need of more secondary sources. Renee (talk) 03:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. He seems notable to me.Faustian (talk) 03:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable enough, agree on some more sources. There's a lot of history to catch up on as we find ourselves in the post-Soviet era. And certainly more notable than my (rare but today) look through "new articles". There one truly has to ask "WHY?". —PētersV (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Wikipedia is about knowledge, and there will always be someone willing to find out about this person and his life. Tymek (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. We don't delete stubs for lack of sources. Also, a bit more good faith in the article creator's intentions from the nominator would probably be in order as well. Bellwether ^B_C 03:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Looks like the start of a good article! Bobanni (talk) 05:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Search engine's hits is only one way to measure notability. In this case, reputable secondary sources exist and are cited in the article.--Riurik^(discuss) 05:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, although it clearly needs better sourcing and cleanup. --Dhartung | Talk 05:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep inclusion of him in a general Ukrainian encyclopedia (Ukrainozantstva) by itself shows his notability Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As per Eduvalko and Faustian - he is notable in this field. He may not be internationally renown, but in this area, he is. Horlo (talk) 06:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep Reviewing, his notability comes from being editor of the Novoyi Svobody newspaper, being the secretary to a man who was prime minister of a region for two days, writing political pamphlets, and then from being in Babi Yar. Unfortunately, none of the sources are in English (nor do they actually point to the specific information being cite), so there's WP:V concerns as well. If there was more about the nature of the newspaper or his political impact, I'd strengthen my support, but the verifiability issues concern me more. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment See the Google Books results per notability. There may be issues with particular facts, but he's mentioned in multiple references works. --Dhartung | Talk 09:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Googling his name in Ukrainian (Іван Рогач) you get 3,200 hits Іван Рогач - here I'm certain this information will be added to the article. Bandurist (talk) 12:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep While I respect the decision to test the articles notability in AfD, I wish that there were less trigger-happy pro-deletion nominators in general. Why couldn't a discussion have been started on the talk page first? Bardcom (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.