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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ioannis Nakitsas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Does not seem WP:NOTABLE to me. No English-language results in Google Scholar [1] [2] or Google Books [3] [4]. One single Google Scholar result using both Greek spellings [5] [6] and it's just a mention of him without discussion, while both Greek spellings give no Google Books results [7] [8].

This individual is mostly mentioned in Greek-language non-academic websites regarding the Macedonian Struggle. I'm familiarized with this topic. It was a violent confrontation between several ethnic groups to achieve supremacy within the weakened Ottoman Empire. It's common in the historical narrative of the peoples that participated on it to commemorate lots of names of fallen fighters, but few of them are notable. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 15:33, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Greece. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 15:33, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• The article is part of a larger series of articles about people who participated in the Macedonian Struggle and it was, like usual, part of the Greek and Bulgarian Wikipedias before an English version was written. It's expected for the sources to be in Balkan languages because this is an area in which Balkan language-speakers are interested. There is no requirement for every article on Wikipedia to have significant English language coverage, just to be covered by secondary sources in any language, and from my experience many articles on the platform are in a similar situation to this one regarding English-language coverage.

The specific individual is mentioned in pretty much all the usual publications related to the Macedonian Stuggle, as can seen from the articles references, you needn't have looked for references online from scratch. The Society for Macedonian Studies for example is a fairly academic institution that cooperates with the University of Thessaloniki. --Antondimak (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of problematic articles of this topic area in Bulgarian Wikipedia. Generally they're written by the same person and cite the same general sources. They have WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH problems such as assigning ethnicites to individuals without any source. In Bulgarian Wikipedia Nakitsas is said to be not a Greek but an Aromanian. Also, there's over 700 articles of Greeks during the Macedonian Struggle in Bulgarian Wikipedia [9]. I don't think we even have 100 articles here for Greek soldiers in a more famous and researched conflict like for example World War II. It should ring some bells.

I did not imply English-language coverage of an individual is necessary for notability, I just wanted to note Nakitsas is not discussed at all in English-language academia.

I also want to note the quality of the sources. Reference 4 is a blog and reference 1 does not mention Nakitsas. Reference 2 and 3 do not have links so verification becomes harder and they anyway cite one single sentence, which just says where he was born and that he was a guerrilla fighter in the Balkans, pretty common and unspecial for biographies of this topic area. Collaboration with Georgios Tsontos, seemingly a perfectly notable individual, could increase Nakitsas' notability but it can definitively not be the single thing carrying the article. I should also note that reference 3 seems like a repositery or encyclopedia of a kind. It probably does not discuss Nakitsas in depth. Passing mentions in usual general sources regarding a topic is not enough. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect unless reliable sources that give him significant coverage are found. The last citation is a blog, the first is a ~200 page document that doesn't contain his name, and the third is a self-described "Yearbook of Fighters of the Macedonian Struggle"—a database, whether that's physical or virtual. The second may be useful, but one source does not confer notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To what target article could this page title be Redirected to?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it should be redirected. The only potential target would be Macedonian Struggle and I find a redirect of an individual into the article of a conflict as improper. Plus Nakitsas is not discussed there so the redirect would have justification for deletion anyway. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 23:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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