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The result was keep. WjBscribe 12:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hugin (software) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This software is a front end to Panorama Tools and is covered on the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page. John Spikowski 20:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This have been discussed already at Talk:Hugin (software). So, no, it should not be deleted!
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Is this AfD about notability or about overlap? I thought that the notability issue had been resolved at Talk:Hugin (software)#Notability but if Hugin really is a front-end then maybe it should be merged into one of those other articles. What is the rule for software wrappers and front-ends? (Requestion 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

hugin is not only a front-end to other command line apps but also has it's own functionality that needs some space to describe. It has some similarity e.g. with PTgui or PTMac but merging all those programmes with their respective special features makes no sense in my eyes. Hugin is completely Open-source software while the other two examples are based on the same basic free software but are sold as shareware. PTGui is available for PC and Mac, PTMac only for Mac, hugin for almost everything that can crunch big chunks of images ;-) Just to name a few of the differences... PTMac maybe deserves it's own article as does software like BBEdit. Einemnet 16:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep already discussed, per above —Pengo 14:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this AfD is about notability. (Requestion 16:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

• Strong Keep this is an important software and an important page. Its not a pure warper because it adds many features that can't be found in PanoTools. Its as much a warper for Panotools as Gimp for libTIFF. Mr. John Spikowski has just (three days ago) created a promotion page for his sponsors and now he wants to raise the value of this page. --Wuz 19:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas, every active panorama vendor is on the new page. The few sponsors the Panotools groups does have also sponsor the other panorama resources. The personal attacks aren't appreciated when I put a lot of work into the page to clean up this mess of all the personal promotional pages added to the Wikipedia. John Spikowski 22:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep hugin participates in the Google Summer of Code which I just added in the article. Important software. Einemnet 21:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carl, It was announced by Yuval Levy (project administrator) that the Google Summer of Code 2007 projects are Panorama Tools SourceForge related projects. When did Hugin (Panorama Tools GUI stitcher front end open source project) take over? John Spikowski 00:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no take over, the Google project page and Google's overview of mentoring organizations list both projects since they are related. This is how development of Open Source Software sometimes work. Google understands that. Read the article you want to have deleted. --Einemnet 07:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does Google funded programming projects have to do with product promotion pages? (open source or not) Should every SourceForge project have a page here on the Wikipedia? John Spikowski 07:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see no problem in having wikipedia articles for interesting SF projects. Does wikipedia have a restricted number of pages or why do you ask that? BTW hugin already was mentioned in several articles in German c't magazine as an important app for panorama stitching. Interesting that not only Google but also computer magazines (print) write about that app but an own article on wikipedia is questioned. Einemnet 15:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Hugin stitcher is covered on the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page. Hugin having it's own promotional page makes no sense and will be hard to find anyways. This product is still in it's early stages of development and doesn't deserve the 'press' your giving it. You are trying to give it the same status and notability as Panorama Tools. John Spikowski 18:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Can we get feedback from others not directly associated with the project? Lets focus on the reason the page is up for deletion which is notability and if a the software should stand on it's own rather then being part of the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page. John Spikowski 21:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -- I should mention the sponsors of John Spikowski who filed this AfD are Kekus, RealVis, Easypano,.... see [1] which are commercial products that do the same as Hugin. All these products are listed in suggested replacement page Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities with very shiny words and promo talk. Why can not have Hugin it's own page? --Wuz 00:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep.Yuv 04:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -- I see no one good reason to delete Hugin pages. It's a matter of love and hate, and this John Spilowki seems to be more on hate.. than love. Dominique Salino, Nouméa

• Strong keep -- This article should be kept.

• Strong keep too --- Reason: Fight against http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John_Spikowski#Vandalism

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.