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The result was no consensus. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I can find no reliable sources about this club. There are only a couple of hundred Google hits, not all of them about this group, but most of them either forums or the group's own website. Nothing in Google news. It was speedy deleted once, then undeleted after the article's creating editor applied at WP:DRV. Corvus cornix_talk 22:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corvus, you may want to take another look at Google News. Now, the topic was brought up by Deb about the organization's "Notability". From the wiki-notability page, found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability, "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." We have 4 outside news articles now. The organization has also been the subject of numerous news specials, as well. Such videos can be found on their page, http://holyrollerz.org/?view=media. The American Bible Society did a great interview, can a video be cited as a source for information? KKEI Radio did another great interview, also on the page. the SPEED Channel did an episode featuring them, and also listed is the exert from the movie R Generation where they were featured. My Wiki skills as limited, and I am working on improving them. This on-going struggle trying to meet Wiki's guidelines for a page is sure helping, but I need some help as well. Can videos linked from the organization's own web page, but preformed by notable outside sources be used in citation? Skiendog (talk) 15:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Non-notable subject. Unverifiable. Dgf32 (talk) 23:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No reliable sources, and notability doesn't look so hot either. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Three related articles in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found with a quick Google News search [1] and added to the article. Also, I've pared down the advertorial nature of the article and while it could certainly use expansion and some re-writing, the group is notable and now has reliable secondary sourcing. - Dravecky (talk) 01:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - It was me who speedied it, and I have to see that, as yet, I see no improvement in tone or content. As it stands, it's just an advert for a club. Deb (talk) 19:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Tone and content are reasons to improve the article, not delete it. The nominator's sole rationale was a lack of "reliable sources" and now the article has references from three distinct, relevant articles in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. - Dravecky (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Agreed. help me improve the tone and content, please. I understand that the tone and content are not up to standards, and am hoping that you all can help. Here is another news article that feature information about the organization: http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4871027 Skiendog (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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