The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Musa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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unsourced BLP Slayer (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- -- Cirt (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep. "Noteworthy" calligraphy artist. Has the nominator made a search? The article was tagged for AFD 10 minutes after its creation with the following comment: “I created the article. Needs images and references. Will work on that tomorow”.   Racconish ^Tk 23:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep. Over twenty exhibitions spread over decades and throughout the world. Has references, but a few more would not hurt.--Dmol (talk) 23:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt on the existence of 3rd party reliable sources, such as this one which considers him a "master in calligraphy". He was part of the landmark exhibition "Africa remix".   Racconish ^Tk 23:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain, since I nominated this for deletion in the first place. That said, it should be obvious what my vote is. My issue with this was (and is): what has the individual done specifically to be considered noteworthy? Being a "master in calligraphy" hardly makes one notable enough for inclusion here. The world is full of seasoned professionals, university professors, Phd's, M.D.'s and others in a variety of fields who are not notable enough to be included on Wikipedia. Racconish, have you followed the links that appear after a google search? Most of them aren't relevant or provide little of value (that isn't already included in this article). When one searches "BOOKS", as you did, they don't find books published by this individual. They find books that his works have been included in. This is one of those where you "have to want to believe". I think that's the case here, and so i'll bow out. Slayer (talk) 07:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have not followed all the links on Musa. Just pointed some establishing notability. Not true all sources are already included. Not true either he published no books. Some listed here. Others here. These are artist books for children, produced in small quantities: not easy to make a complete bibliography. In any case, with the nominator himself abstaining, this becomes a case of either SPEEDY KEEP or SNOW.   Racconish ^Tk 08:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Errr ... you consider two Keep proponents a snowball result?  Ravenswing  20:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two strongs with an almost withdrawn proposition, yes. I don't think the number matters here. I think with a little bit more research and less haste, this whould never have come to AFD. Shouldn't I?   Racconish ^Tk 21:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers are EXACTLY what matter with a SNOW result. Four Deletes in a row - by no means unknown at AfD would turn this into a consensus for deletion. Two Keeps isn't remotely close. When it's five or six, unopposed, then that's on the table.  Ravenswing  01:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken, comment corrected.   Racconish ^Tk 07:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep. We are talking here about an artist with many online references as well as printed references, who exhibited since decades in major museums and institutions such as the Venice Biennial, the Centre Pompidou (Paris) or the Museum of African Art (nyc) !!! This is what he has done and this is how the notability of contemporary artists is estimated. According to this criterion, his notability is very high. Boris aladar (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Racconish ^Tk 17:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a very well documented biography, about a well educated and skilled artist, and I see no reason for deletion. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A notable artists who has had their work featured in many notable museums. They don't just let anyone drive on over and hang up what they want. The people who know how to judge art, have judged this work notable enough to be in their museums. Dream Focus 21:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Obviously passes WP:GNG. Needs major cleanup though. Can you say WP:REFBOMB? SnottyWong ^converse 23:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I think this individual passes WP:GNG by a long way. Cleanup? Meh, it's better than the average new article imho. The refbomb is quite understandable if it's a response to questioned notability, and I don't think a long list of sources does the article any harm. bobrayner (talk) 14:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.