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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This subject appears to be non-notable by wp standards. It was tagged for additional references 8 years ago, to no avail, and proded, but the prod was removed without comment. --2603:7000:2143:8500:284F:1640:953:7AA8 (talk) 06:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The only coverage I found was a few routine "This boat club boat clubbed against this other boat club, and a boat club came out on top" news stories. No significant coverage. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete I find it surprising that a constituent college rowing club of the University of Oxford is considered not notable. The Template:Oxford University Rowing Clubs would look odd to have a red link if this goes ahead. What is the non-notable aspect of a club that has the potential to supply rowers to arguably the world's most famous rowing race?.Racingmanager (talk) 15:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  They aren't notable because someone from the club may at some point supply rowers to a race. There are a lot of teams, groups, schools and organizations that have the potential to supply whatever to a world famous something or other, but they're not all notable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• What Scottish said. It fails to meet any of wp's notability criteria. The fact that it is a rowing club at a university does not in itself make it notable. And per wp guidelines, even if they do supply rowers to such a race - that would not by itself make them notable. It need not be in the template red-linked; it can (perhaps should?) be deleted from the template. 2603:7000:2143:8500:BCE6:9F4B:E3D8:9A43 (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The majority of the constituent college clubs appear not to be notable, and I don't see why such student organizations necessarily would be. Students at all of the Oxford colleges play a variety of sports, and the university's academic prestige does not give them automatic notability, and this lacks the significant coverage of the university-wide team. Reywas92^Talk 18:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a non-notable rowing club.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As I understand it, Oxford University is a major university that receives plenty of RS coverage, yes? And it has multiple constituent colleges, which also receive RS coverage. And each of those colleges has a boat club, it appears, and these boat clubs presumably compete against each other? I would expect that there is sufficient RS coverage of this boat club, and these boat races, through the school itself and through other media. Rowing ain't cheap, and if this one boat club for this one college has 4 Eights, 2 Fours, and assorted sculls, that's pretty significant investment, easily into the 6 figures. The sort of people who shell out (ok, pun intented) for that sort of thing also like to have official histories and such written up as well. I'm just saying, it would be strange if there weren't more sources about this boat club. And as a general wikipedia issue, I'm not sure I can see the point of deleting some but not all pages of the college boat houses. I suppose a broad article on College Boat Houses of Oxford University might work, but I see 35 different college boat clubs listed. That would be a long article. Hyperion35 (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  See if you can actually find any of those sources. I didn't have much luck. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  What Scottish said. Also, its not the case that all the sports clubs of all universities deserve articles on the club itself. Nor each of the dozens of sports clubs of this one university. If you wish to propose that at the notability guideline, of course that could change, but I do not expect it would gather support. Also, its the common case at universities that some of the school's teams are notable, and others not. Finally, as pointed out, its likely this is not the only non-notable such team at the university. In addition to the Oxford University Gliding Club, Linacre College Boat Club and St Anne's College Boat Club for example comes to mind. 2603:7000:2143:8500:4C3:DFC9:A0E5:F915 (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:NINHERITED and that WP:GNG is not met. The Boat Race is big and Oxford is known for its rowing, but the thing is that each college has a few hundred people, only a small proportion are rowers and Cuppers (inter-college events, rather than Blues that are intra-university events) are not exactly high-profile events. Oxford colleges are not like universities or the U.S. meaning of the world "college". If you went to university, imagine the name of your first year accommodation block and put "Boat Club" at the end of it and you've got an idea of what scale this is on. Those above are correct that GTC's Boat Club is hardly unique in its sourcing position, but it is the case that most of these pages should be deleted and only the ones which are actually renowned or of historical importance (e.g. Oriel) should be kept. No ill wishes against GTC, a very beautiful college when I visited it. — Bilorv (talk) 01:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the contextual info. In the USA, some large state universities have constituent "colleges", but these are often just divided into Science & Engineering, Arts, and Social Sciences, or something like that, so as to make a large 20,000+ student campus easier to organize. Other large state universities are divided by geography, as with the University of California system where each school is semi independent and has its own sports teams (UCLA, UCI, UCSB, etc). It sounds like these teams are more along the lines of recreational intramural sports? They only compete within the university and not as part of any interscholastic competition? That still seems strange given the cost of even a modest boathouse, those shells are not cheap (on the other hand, neither is Oxford University, I suppose). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperion35 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's intramural. I think most colleges share boat house facilities—the article notes GTC shares with four other colleges, and they wouldn't have any additional in-college facilities like my college did because they're not on the river, and the other difference you allude to of money is probably a factor as GTC has assets of £100 million, an outrageously large number relative to the number of people it serves. — Bilorv (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:SIGCOV. The sources just do not exist.4meter4 (talk) 22:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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