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The result was delete. The combination of being unsourced, WP:BLP, and having at least one controversial assertion in the article did it in. No prejudice against a sourced recreation. GRBerry 20:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Bober (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This article was written by a member of the subject's family. It's about a local politician who did all the usual local politician things, but it quite fails to show how this local politician differs from the thousands of other local politicians in Britain. He was once mayor of Colchester. That's not big deal - every town has a mayor, only one of them is Clint Eastwood. My son's teacher in year 5 at junior school was mayor of Reading; he did not give up the day job.

This article is about one of the very many worthy people who make up local politics. Worthy, but as far as an encyclopaedia is concerned, not notable. Cruftbane 21:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Per WP:BIO, we only keep "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage". No indication of that, here. Sandstein 22:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Colchester is a large enough city pop. 105,000 that we assume the mayor to be notable. Better referencing is however needed. DGG (talk) 04:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, mayors of cities as large as Colchester are notable enough for me. --Dhartung | Talk 04:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, but that is simply false. Mayors of British towns of this size are not even full-time politicians, the role is pretty much purely ceremonial. The position of mayor rotates annually through the council pretty much on a "Buggins' turn" basis, the people who do the job are worthy but absolutely not notable. Can you find substantial non-trivial coverage of, say, Richard Stainthorpe or Chris Maskell? They've both been mayor of a town significantly larger than Colchester. Mayors are not, as a rule, even directly elected, they are appointed by their colleagues on the council. Here's Google's results for Graham Bober: [1]. 55 unique hits, and many of them not for this Graham Bober. Google News has nothing, Factiva has nothing, Wikipedia is the top hit, in fact. I can't find a single provably independent source for this, and none are cited in the article. Mayors of places the size of Colchester are generic local politicians and not distinguishable from any other councillor. This is not the mayor of London or some other metropolis. This is an interestign biography written by a member of his family, who also created Mayor of Colchester. Take a look at that and see how many of them are linked. Now look at the few that are, and see if they are "notable enough". Terry Sutton, John Bouckley, Chris Hall, Nigel Chapman, Mike Hogg, Christopher Garnett (politician). Mayors of Colchester. Notable enough? Cruftbane 06:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

you have found some dubious articles without much in the way of content. this one is better than most of them. that otherarticlesarejunk does not make this one junk as well. DGG (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:BIO for politicians. --Sc straker 03:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails much more than WP:BIO, try WP:BLP due to a complete and utter lack of reliable third party sources cited within the article about the subject. Burntsauce 17:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.