The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep for now Look people, this isn't very complicated. There's no reason to delete these articles now when they are likely to be much more notable in the future. WP:NOTNEWS may apply later, but it is too early to tell. We aren't talking about someone who made the news because they taught a dog to stand on its hind legs and belch the national anthems of a dozen different countries. Nor are we talking about a reality televsion shown on channel 345.678 at 2 AM. We're talking about a finalist in the most popular reality show in the United States. If in 6 months or a year Glocksen has produced nothing else of note then we should re-examine the matter. I do however note that there are many google news hits and that the article is not very well sourced as it currently stands. I strongly suggest that those who support keeping the article source it to the best of their abilities. JoshuaZ 20:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gina Glocksen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Delete. Another failed Reality TV contestant. Fails WP:BIO, WP:N etc. Was the first to be evicted from the most recent American Idol, she has done nothing noteable before or after his few appearences on the show. I checked all of the trustworthy, reliable sites, and none of them say a word about her, or the EP she supposedly released. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 19:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Did you actually look at Itunes? The EP is available for sale. Zagalejo 23:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I disagree. American Idol is the most watched television show in history. Its contestants are very note worthy. Besides, it is way to early to say she hasn't done anything since the show. Shes still under contract with American Idol, so she can't get a record deal yet. Also, Gina was the 4th person eliminated from the Top 12, not the first. MarkMc1990 05:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - She wasn't the first to be voted off, and her EP is on iTunes, here. ~HJ ^[talk]@½ -01:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Either keep or redirect to American Idol (season 6) (redirect slightly preferred). See my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haley Scarnato. TLK^'in 04:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Can we please stop this? Every few months, we get users who decide that we need to nuke as many AI articles as possible. I don't get it. The Idol Wikiproject states that all finalists get a page. We have pages for almost all of the other finalists no matter what position they finish in. This is one of many previous deletion votes on similar issues. The thing is. I make the same point I did back in February and March. Right now, these people are notable. In a year, if they haven't released anything or are no longer notable, then I say yes, let's remove the articles. But until then, this just feels a bit premature. I mean. Folks. 10 of the finalists (including Gina) are currently on tour and selling out or selling well at many arenas. That feels pretty notable to me. I'm tired of doing this every 3-4 months. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• A low-importance Wikiproject is not a policy, guideline or important. You claim that their noteabliltiy may expire in a year, so we should keep the articles until then. That breaks WP:N#Notability_is_not_temporary. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 10:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTAGAIN. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 10:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but you are quoting a non-policy/guideline to say that the Idol WikiProject is a non-policy guideline. Cancels out. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, she is notable for being an American Idol finalist.

• Being a contestant on a Reality TV series does not make one noteable, see WP:BIO and WP:N. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 10:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• This isn't the typical reality show. And it's not as if she was on the show for a week. And besides, notability outside of the show might not be known for awhile. Look at Mandisa. She just now released her first CD and it's been a year since she was on the show. Well over a year. I just see too much incorrect information and assumptions in your nomination. I mean. "She has done nothing noteable before or after her few appearances on the show". I'd say that a nationwide tour that is selling out arenas is something notable. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Your argument fails WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. If these subjects become noteable, they deserve their own articles. Until then, they should be deleted and redirected to the American Idol page. Exactly how different is this to other Reality shows? Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 10:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is in no way a policy or a guideline; it is a personal essay. The singer also passes WP:MUSIC (#4). She is currently on a major national tour. How different is this from other reality shows? Well, first off it is the most watched show in the United States and also has a large audience internationally. The fact is Gina Glocksen is better known to the public than most winners of other reality shows. Being a finalist in the sixth season, she received notable media attention and press coverage. --musicpvm 18:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. She just got engadeged on stage at an American Idol Tour concert in her home State of Illinios on Tuesday, August 7th. I thought that would have been added to her bio. Her page absolutely should not be deleted. She is noteworthy for being an American Idol finalist, and it often takes the finalist a year, or sometimes longer in the case of Jennifer Hudson, to gain noteworthy fame beyond the show. Why would this be a discussion?

Add it to the article. :) I guess that's the point I keep drumming home. Why the rush? Right now, she is notable. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 01:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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