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The result was Delete. Attempts to find reliable sources for the assertion of this being a closed station on a railroad line were not successful. No prejudice to recreation if reliable and verifiable sourcing is found later. Mandsford 01:42, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gapung Station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Non-notable closed station. Blitzer Van Susterwolf (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as there is no indication of notability. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 12:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. WP:V is the issue here. Although stations are generally considered de facto notable, I can't find any sources at all using Google. No evidence that it existed. Alzarian16 (talk) 18:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC) Okay then, keep. It appears we have shown existence, although the sources aren't the best. Alzarian16 (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There do appear to be sources out there, it just seems that none of them are in English (understandable, since this is a Korean station). Searching for the Korean name (it's in the list at Gyeongbu Line) helps, though I had to search for the Korean line name too since the station name uses the same characters as "family tradition", which confuses things. This page seems to indicate the station existed, with pictures (though I'm having trouble finding a good translation, especially because of the aforementioned family tradition issue). The Korean Wikipedia also seems to have an article on it; it's not referenced either, but it also indicates this probably isn't a hoax. This article seems to mention it too. It would be helpful if we could find someone who speaks Korean, since I don't, but the preliminary evidence seems to suggest that it exists. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the first article you point to is a webforum. The second briefly mentions Gapung Street and Gapung Crossing, but no Gapung Station. In Korean, train stations are always referred to with the "역" ("station") suffix. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL shows absolutely nothing except that webforum, copies of the Korean Wikipedia and one mis-hit [1] for a Goryeo-era horse waystation of the same name (different Hanja). cab (call) 05:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the help with the translation. I'd still say this is notable; while the one halfway decent source you found so far is admittedly not the best, it still seems enough to show the station existed, which would make it notable per the precedent for train stations. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per WP:TWP convention that all railway stations are notable. I've asked for assistance in providing sources at WT:KO. Mjroots (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I cannot locate any reliable sources. Perhaps they are on the microfilm of a rural newspaper rotting in the National Library of Korea, or perhaps not. I find applying "automatic notability" here is very questionable. Even the train stations on this line that actually continue to operate today barely have any sources about them. Based on the current information, the most we can say is that "it's not completely unreasonable to think that the Gyeongbu Line may have had a station called Gapung between Okcheon and Iwon". Naver Encyclopedia devotes a grand total of 207 characters to the village (mentions nothing at all about the station) [2]. There's photos on a bulletin board of a stretch of track which some anonymous netizen says used to be a station, and if you go to, say, Naver Maps (not Google Maps, which is useless for rural South Korean locations) and look for "이원역" (Iwon Station) and follow the tracks north, you'll come to a village called Gapung, where there's an overpass (marked "가풍교") which I think is the one in the background of the second webforum photo; and then if you follow the tracks even farther north, you indeed come to Okcheon Station cab (call) 05:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Naver gives marginally better result websearch results than Google: [3], which has somewhat more details. (That entire site appears to be the work of a single railfan). cab (call) 05:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Notability isn't temporary. Rail stations don't become non-notable just because they don't exist anymore. We have convention for keeping various types of topics like rail stations for a reason, so we don't have exhausting fleshed-out debates of every single of the thousands of stations on earth. Volunteer editors should spend their time improving articles.--Oakshade (talk) 21:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:54, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Can I just check, we're basing the claim for the existence of this station on two self-published sources, as per cab's identification? That's not enough for me. I'm all for stations being immediately notable, and I don't like WP:Systemic bias, but this article is currently based on the notes of two guys in S Korea in separate WP:SPS. The Gapung Station article was created by the same editor who added it to the Gyeongbu Line article, which worries me too. Bigger digger (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as not verifiable per Bigger dagger. Bearian (talk) 17:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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