- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel as a viable ATD. There isn't strong consensus for a merge, bus the history remains if one is desired. Star Mississippi 23:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The subject herself is not notable and her killing, and any disputes about the manner of her killing, can be better covered (possibly without naming her), within various pages relating to the October 7th attack/ Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel Pincrete (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: the subject has no encyclopedic notability, and there is no case for a standalone page to exist. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel. The topic is better covered here per WP:PAGEDECIDE. I look forward to all of the pro-Palestine editors just happening to have the same delete !vote and all of the pro-Israel editors just happening to have the same keep !vote as if we don't see the obvious WP:TENDENTIOUS behavior in these types of discussions. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I look forward to all of the pro-Palestine editors just happening to have the same delete vote.
Apart from the name of the victim, AFAI could see, there is no content to merge with Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel, since the content is all already there (and even her name was there until I removed it today). This is about not naming an otherwise obscure woman and her family who have already suffered enough anguish. It isn't about pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel positions. Pincrete (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pincrete: Could you explain why her name shouldn't be there? It was published in the Times as part of a landmark article with her family's permission; her sister spoke out about her on social media; and also I find it more respectful to use her name rather than refer to "the woman in the black dress".15:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Only because we don't customarily name non-notable victims of crime - even when they are named in news articles - unless they reach the George Floyd level of notability, when omitting the name would become pointless. The NY Times article isn't accessible to 90+% of the world anyhow (££$$€€) and a news article doesn't remain permanently prominent in the way a WP article does. Pincrete (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - holds no claim of notability. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Holds no claim for notability and this article could be a major offence for the victim's family. SocialTechWorker (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Author, OK with Merge - I am the author of the article, and would support merging the content into the sexual violence article, I just want to note that she was also a victim of the attacks - simply of the attacks, regardless of her sister's doubting whether there was sexual violence, is there any article where that aspect can be added?Keizers (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There are various articles where deaths during the Oct attack are recorded, most deal mainly with statistics (% male/female, % age group, % civilian etc) rather than individuals, 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel is the 'overall' article. Pincrete (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: and rename to Murder of Gal Abdush per WP:VICTIM This is consistent with other AfD outcomes with notable murders during a larger event. The event is notable, it passes GNG, LASTING, international coverage already in article (Jpost, NYT, The Hill), and more sources can be added. // Timothy :: talk 03:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont feel this is notable per WP:BIO1E. Regardless of international coverage it was being reported in the context of the larger event, not because the murder of this victim is notable. Cowlan (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect - to Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel. I don't see why a standalone page is necessary when there is not a particular claim for notability Cowlan (talk) 07:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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