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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Klainsek[edit]

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Clearly does not meet WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. Grand total of coverage (5 results in google news, 3 that mention the subject): two sentences in Miami.com, what appears to be a reprinted press release in large part copied from [1], and mere mentions/routine listings, [2], [3], [4], and this source which I can't access but just appears to be an interview. (the deleted revisions don't have any more sources that mention the subject) Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:50, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: it's even worse than I thought (ref this discussion). – Athaenara ✉ 09:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did some more hunting around and found a twitter account and a business listing showing both indirect and direct professional ties between the *06 editor(s) and Klainsek (I'm tempted to link them here but they weren't terribly hard to find and others may uncover them as well). I think we have a case of undisclosed paid editing here. – Athaenara ✉ 15:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprising. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:01, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Additionally, there this CNN link that is supposedly an interview of him yet does not appear to be? Plus this paper that clearly too old to mention him. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:27, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I did my own search and found nothing more than the nom did. Don't think this passes WP:GNG.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. This article was deleted after nomination by myself due to having been full of spam and copyvios, was then recreated without those problems and with references by MarkZusab, that was speedy deleted after nomination by Theroadislong on the grounds of notability, and then the original was restored by reverted back to a pre-copyvio state. I briefly saw MarkZusab's article but did not have the chance to assess the references. I would like to do so before I comment here - can it be made visible? Dorsetonian (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Dorsetonian, I did list about every reference in that deleted version by MarkZusab above, but here's the full text of that version (attribute to MarkZusab):

Franz Klainsek (born 1978) is an American contemporary artist.^[1][2][3][4]

Klainsek has had exhibitions in New York.^[5][6] Miami, Florida,^[2][3] and Tbilisi, Georgia.^[7]

Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:07, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Here are all References I have added. Including some printed magazine references in Art of The Times

I find references by listed by ::Galobtter also credible. Perhaps we can use the information in Art of The Times, Miami Herald, Artnet and HG Contemporary to create a better article.

^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]}

Artlover06 (talk) 08:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Athaenara I am not user Kdv06 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artlover06 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 08:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have added some additional links and references to the article that I could find. Additional improvement may be needed. Perhaps someone else can get involved with improving the text using the information I have added to meet the Wikipedia rules and regulations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artlover06 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you cite any specific policy that justifies inclusion? Dorsetonian (talk) 20:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I am indebted to Galobtter for making the "alternate" article content available, and to Artlover06 for identifying further online coverage - and have reviewed it all carefully. We can be in no doubt the subject of the article exists but I see nothing that meets the WP:GNG - the majority of the content does not appear to be "independent of the subject" and there is nothing that comes close to "significant coverage". Assessing against WP:CREATIVE it is apparent that the artist's work appears in some galleries but there is no evidence of any of it having: "(a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". Clearly there has been some problematic editing here too, and the article has been promotional and non-neutral - but purely on grounds of notability, this article is at best premature and should be deleted, and it should not be recreated until/unless circumstances significantly change. Dorsetonian (talk) 20:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Dorsetonian Thank you for your feedback. Addressing some of the mentioned above: the content is "independent of the subject" as it is researched and the text is also referenced in the sources I have listed or has been added by the original user. We can change any of the text that rise up the copyright issues. Addressing, WP:DISCLOSE I am not connected to this artist and do not have any connection to him, nor am I being paid for this. I am a student in NYU; my class went to see this artist's exhibition in New York. I have been following Klainsek's work ever since and am writing my thesis this year on the important contemporary art of living artists, specifically on this subject. An exhibition with an established New York gallery is also referenced in the article that in detail describes the artist's work (261 words) by a reliable and notable publication Art of The Times^[1] much of the text used in the current version of the Franz Klainsek article can be referenced there, or in other sources referenced in the article. To address: (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition - please see references here from December 2018^[2], you can find information on Mana Contemporary and Pinta Art Show are both significant and notable. Klainsek's work is credited and showed on images on Pinta's website here^[3] where 4 of the images are referenced to his nail installation also referenced in The Miami Herald Article (Referenced). Other artists in this show are Camila Cañeque, Hugo Crosthwaite, Sonia Falcone, Franz Klainsek, Luciana Lamothe, Mira Lehr, Mark Niskanen & Jani- Matti Salo, Graciela Sacco, Raquel Schwartz, Stefania Strouza, Francisca Sutil, Pedro Tyler, Cydney Williams, and Agustina Woodgate. Mana Contemporary's Ad-Astra is featured in the link that I linked to CNN. You can read the importance of Ad Astra on ^[4]ABC-7 news^[5], Financial Times^[6], ^[7], Market Watch^[8]. Klainsek's work with HG Contemporary has been published and have shown alongside notable artists such as Natvar Bhavsar and Retna - please see specifically reference 1 for detail.

Artlover06 (talk) 23:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification, I meant "the majority of the content in the references does not appear to be independent of the subject". Regarding "a substantial part of a significant exhibition" - the exhibition in question has a webpage here and a 206-page catalogue here. Both the website and catalogue list him as one of the many exhibitors, but not in the "Main Section" of the exhibition and with nothing but a name check - no biography and no description of the work; clear evidence that his was not a "substantial part". Dorsetonian (talk) 13:27, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails GNG as there is inadequate SIGCOV. I removed most of the external links as they were mostly things like this event announcement added by artlover06, which aren't necessary and do nothing to contribute to notability. After collapsing several duplicate sources it's clear that the article has been massively puffed up by the addition of anything at all that has the words "Franz Klainsek" in it. Artlover06, you need to read WP:RS and stop adding poor quality items to this article. Adding sources like ISSU means you don;t understand that self-published items like ISSU are not a reliable source. (Also, before you reply, please read WP:BLUDGEON about how not to act at an AfD. The large plastered walls of text above are hindering, not helping, your argument.)ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• C Abstain - There are valid reasons for both deletion and keep per all above. I recommend further study for reliable sources, but I doubt it.--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 03:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. As noted upthread, does not pass WP:CREATIVE. UninvitedCompany 22:20, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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