The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn. J Milburn (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flags of North America (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This is a gallery, not an article. Such things are better suited to Wikipedia Commons- a navbox/a category connecting these flags is easy enough. Free images can be galleried on Wikimedia Commons, non-free images shouldn't be in galleries anyway. Delete. J Milburn (talk) 09:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: per nom. This isn't suited for WP. DigitalC (talk) 09:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. There are plates full of pictures of flags in just about every printed encyclopedia of my acquaintance. In any case, all of the articles in the related categories probably ought to be treated the same. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have just realised that other crap exists, I will nominate them should this discussion end in a delete. The fact we have other articles that should be deleted is not a valid reason for keeping this one, and, as I said, though these are certainly useful pages, they are far better suited to Wikimedia Commons. J Milburn (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why? You didn't address Smerdis' main point, which is that almost every established encyclopedia has flag galleries like this. The average reader would expect to find this content here, not on Commons. Zagalejo^^^ 17:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep - any established encyclopaedia worth its salt contain flag galleries. Deletion would be a completely retrograde step. EJF (talk) 17:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep - Flag galleries on Wikipedia not only serve readers' expectations about what encyclopedias should contain, they are far more useful than the image collections on Wikimedia Commons in that they link to one or more appropriate articles for further information. I have never understood why flag galleries are not treated with the same respect as stand-alone lists, of which they are a form. --ScottMainwaring (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• keep per Scott. JoshuaZ (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Is a nicely ordered list, that happens to be laid out 2-dimensionally because the items are graphical elements, instead of a single vertical list of text-items. As such, passes WP:LIST with flying colors. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sometimes, people mistakes Afd for clean-up. If this article is not good, wikify it. Flags of Europe is a very good list of flags. Flags of North America needs more work, not deletion. Zerokitsune (talk) 01:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see the mistake I made. I didn't think to treat this article as a list- if it looked like the European equivilent, I would not have nominated it. J Milburn (talk) 10:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Then does that mean that you withdraw your nomination? If so, then I suggest that the discussion for how this page can be improved take place over on the article talk page. - 52 Pickup (deal) 14:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and Clean up per Zerokitsune. Such galleries are part of any encylcopedia, but this one needs some work. - 52 Pickup ^(deal) 08:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree that it can use improvement, but think we can do better than using Flags of Europe as a model. By spreading the flag images linearly down a *long* linear list, that page does not allow quick visual comparison of various designs. I think it is still important to have a "gallery-like" section of the article that allows the flag designs to be presented conveniently in a 2D grid. This might serve as a kind of graphical "table of contents" for the page, which could have a list format (hopefully one more compact and thought-out than used by Flags of Europe). --ScottMainwaring (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.