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The result was redirect to Black Standard. I'm redirecting, but this doesn't preclude a merge of some of the content if someone wants to take that on. Fairly clear consensus that this should not be a separate article. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 22:03, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the Islamic State

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Duplicates Black Standard and it is unlikely that additional info can be added that is not now or should not be in the other article Legacypac (talk) 08:35, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is very new. Passes GNG. Not a duplicate. There's a lot more content out there that could be added (History, Usage, Controversy). If there's no additional information in 6 months then a Merge could be proposed.~Technophant (talk) 09:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (nominator) The article is very new because no one thought to duplicate the Black Standard article before even though this group using the Black Standard has been in the news worldwide for years, and particularly over the last few months. There is no unique info in the new article that is not in the old article as far as I can see. Seriously - we don't need two articles on the exact same flag. Legacypac (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ISIL

Comment the ISIL flag has it's own stylizations. Are those also used in other variants of the Black Standard? (ie. the shape of the lettering and circle) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Black Standard article has long detailed the flag variant used by ISIL. Legacypac (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will note that the flag used on the ISIL page is not as circular as other similar flags, which is what I said about stylizations. As most ISIL flag images I've seen used the not-circle, while most similar flag images that are non-ISIL use a circle, is the not-circle particular to ISIL? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 09:15, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

67.70.35.44, No. See: File:AQMI Flag.svg as used by two of the few groups using black standard as listed at Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Allies. Gregkaye ✍♪ 17:46, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It doesn't meet GNG. Most of the sources suggest this is a variation of the Black Standard. This does seem to have enough notability to be on wikipedia just not enough for a stand alone article.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I think the article is talking about the Islamic State's flag in general, but I agree that it duplicates the Black Standard. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No value as a separate article.HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Like another user said, "every flag has its own story." This applies even to flags of major rebel groups, so we shouldn't just delete the article just because it's suffering from some issues; those are common in new articles, by the way. Give it time to develop and be revised, and it will be worthy of being kept/expanded upon. LightandDark2000 (talk) 23:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that it's not notable. The Black Standard is and ISIL is but ISIL flag doesn't inherit that notability.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LightandDark2000 the story is that it is a flag commonly used with other groups. I don't see how the article can be develop and be revised unless its called the "such and such flag when used by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant." Gregkaye ✍♪ 03:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, This article should never have been created. The exact same flag is shared with other groups and, as such, the title "Flag of the Islamic State" is at best incomplete and is otherwise inaccurate not least as the main article is entitled "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". The development of this article under this title is, I believe, evidence that editors have been, consciously or not, following agendas that don't coincide with those of Wikipedia. Gregkaye ✍♪ 16:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete The group intentionally uses the same flag as the Shabab group, which intentionally uses the same flag as other groups, all of which try to copy an imprint of a seal on a letter dictated by Muhammad to a king in the Persian Gulf around 1,400 years ago. These groups don't even profess to use their own specific flags; they actualy advertise it as the same Black Standard used by past groups, thus their intention is even for it to be non-unique. "Every flag has a story" doesn't apply here as this flag is not the same as the Black Standard, rather it is the Black Standard and that's intentional. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Intentionally of not, this is disingenuous. External links presents:

Flag of the Islamic State at Flags of the World even thought the article, unlike genuine mid-east nations that I checked, contains no "flag of ..." designation. Gregkaye ✍♪ 17:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply It isn't even remotely disingenuous as the "flags of the world" website is neither written by experts on Middle Eastern history nor is it the final arbiter of what is or isn't a separate, unique flag. It's just one website about flags. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Delete It's a FORK. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Black Standard. Almost all of the sources about this flag talk about it in the context of the Black Standard. --— Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article is about a form of the Black Standard period. It is like setting up an article on the Stars and Stripes used in Alabama or Guam in addition to the main Flag_of_the_United_States. I agree the flag needs an article, just saying it already has an article. Legacypac (talk) 20:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.