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The result was Keep — Caknuck 02:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Federal Correctional Institution, Edgefield[edit]

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This institution is completely non-notable and the article appears to have been created as a coat rack to talk about Kent Hovind's incarceration. Ursasapien (talk) 04:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

why delete it? The prison exists, and any prison is a moderately notable structure (at least as notable as the thousands of schools and colleges, small villages etc. that have Wikipedia pages). Furthermore, it is part of the category page "Federal Correctional Institutions in the United States" which is obviously intended to eventually contain a page on every U.S. prison. Why sabotage this project just because you don't want Wikipedia to report that Kent Hovind is a prisoner there? --Robert Stevens 11:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sabotage? What an interesting choice of word. Please assume good faith as opposed to assuming my feelings about Mr. Hovind. I am suprised to hear that the intention is to have nearly 150 articles simply about Federal Corrections. I do not believe, at this point, that all the institutions are inherently notable. We already have a list of U.S. federal prisons. Isn't that enough? Ursasapien (talk) 05:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, while I'm not particularly behind Ursasapien as regards Kent Hovind, nor do I think he understands the coatrack issue, I don't find any substantial independent source material here. Let's nip this in the bud before prisons become like train stations or roads—a permastub on every one regardless of sourcing. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And we're here to create an encyclopedia that contains all notable and reasonably notable subject, but not if they're train statsion, roads or airports.... ? KTC 21:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, when I got to the article it was essentially the statement, "" with one notable prisoner - Kent Hovind. I percieved this as a coat rack in the sense that the prison was notable because it had a notable prisoner and its only reference was an article about Mr. Hovind. Now it has much more information, but the question still remains, "Is the prison notable because it houses notable inmates?" Second, Are all federal prisons inherently notable? What makes this particular federal prison notable? Are all train stations, roads, airports, and federal prisons "reasonably notable" and therefore deserve an article? With as stubby as this article was, it could have easily been just left a part of the list of U.S. federal prisons. I'm an inclusionist, but I think we need to remember what Wikipedia is not. Ursasapien (talk) 05:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The information is verified from government sources and the article is consistent with those of other U.S. prisons with notable inmates. • Gene93k 15:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A Google search shows plenty of independent articles and another notable inmate, Tom Noe of the Ohio "Coingate" scandal,[1] along with a convicted fraudster from the MCI/Worldcom scandal.[2] • Gene93k 16:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as federal prison as notable. KTC 21:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per KTC and Gene93k. It'd be nice if the article was expanded a bit, though. GlassCobra 21:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• keep notable institution, with a few notable inmates. ornis (t) 09:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notable how exactly? Ursasapien (talk) 09:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • That would be mostly due to its distinguished guests. To the list of which I might add René González, one of the cuban five. It was also named in a lawsuit brought by the freedom from religion foundation over a pilot "one faith" program, that the FFRF was challenging as unconstitutional. I also found a couple of articles about a correctional officer hauled up on drugs charges, and a certain catholic priest interred there, though I'm not sure he's notable. ornis (t) 09:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you. When you have time could you help expand the article? Ursasapien (talk) 10:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • If I have time yeah. ornis (t) 10:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep If high schools are kept then surely a government building housing several famous people is too. C56C 16:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.