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This school doesn't seem notable. The only sources in the article are primary. Except for a dead link. Plus, a BEFORE only turned up a few trivial (both in the subjects and depth of coverage) news articles about it. Secondary schools aren't inherently notable. So, this seems to fail both WP:GNG and WP:NORG. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], and there are more, don't seem trivial (all in Portuguese). However, most of them arguably do fall under WP:1EVENT (assuming, for a moment, that 1EVENT can be about schools as opposed to people). Basically, there have been some financial irregularities at this (private) school, which have been the subject of substantial controversy. There were even protests at the Portuguese embassy in Luanda about it. I don't necessarily think this gets it past GNG, but it's not nothing. Perhaps those with better Portuguese than mine would be able to comment. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:15, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just a general comment, whatever the case is about it being a single event thing or not, all of the sources except for one are from two news outlets and sources from the same outlet only count as one source for the sake of notability. Also, interestingly two of the articles from Sapo were printed on the same day and one of them is anonymous for some reason. Which seems a little sketchy. The fifth source is about how schools in Portugal, including this one, are dealing with Chronovirus. Which I would call trivial. One the single event thing, for me it usually comes to if there is sustained coverage and if the coverage is not mainly sensationalism. It's hard to tell if either is true in this case. One article (and really the topic in general) is about how the parents are in dept to the school and I'd say that's sensationalism because it's about the parents complaining about tuition hikes, but there's evidence it ever went anywhere legal and people being upset about something isn't notable on it's own IMO. Plus, maybe they just don't manage their money well and want to blame the school for it because the news was doing an article about it. There's no way to tell, but "outrage" (transient or otherwise) doesn't qualify as notable as far as I see it. Especially when that's all there seems to be. I'm still open to this maybe being notable for what it's covered for in the articles though if something more substantial can be found about it, or things can be clarified. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I have cited an acedemic book that is unrelated to the scandal mentioned in the news reports linked above. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I find it weird that anyone would find this not notable. There are four foreign language secondary Category:Schools in Luanda, this one, Escola Português de Luanda, appears to be the oldest, and the largest. We don't have an article for the Colégio Português de Luanda, or the Colégio S. Francisco de Assis – Luanda Sul all of which are verified on Portuguese Education Ministry site. We do have one for the smaller Luanda International School. A notability test is about potential, it is not the same as a GA review. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Being the oldest X of whatever doesn't automatically make something notable. Also, notability isn't determined by the "potential" for something to be notable, whatever that means (everything could "potentially" be notable), its determined by the topic having multiple in-depth reliable sources that discuss it. That's it. Not how long its been around, it being the first of something, or anything else. Adamant1 (talk) 18:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sources that discuss it with significant coverage, not necessarily cited currently in the article or available via a Google search. You are nominating the top schools in Africa for deletion, but ignoring the many run-of-the-mill schools in Western Anglophone countries that have articles. I'm trying to stretch the assumption of good faith here, but I can't help feeling that there is an unsavoury agenda here. That an article is about an African subject, and Africa is not covered online as well as other continents, doesn't mean that a proper search for sources shouldn't be undertaken before deletion nomination. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]