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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Djuradj Vujcic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Article seems to be about a young journalist and cited almost entirely to the Urban Book Circle website (which he founded) and articles by him. The only possible claim to importance is an unidentified Literary Guild Award when he was about 17 years old (I can't establish who makes this award or whether it is important). At the moment this article is simply a poorly sourced CV. Sionk (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• I'll just add that "HRH Crown Prince Alexander II Karadjordjevic has recommended him for his Photoshop, PowerPoint and Microsoft Office skills.[5]", with a cite to his company's website, is one of the more bizarre assertions of notability that I have seen of late. Delete. I can't see substantial coverage from independent non-affiliated sources. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE, at least for now. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  I dunno. I've been praised by various obscure royals for my expertise in Excel. freshacconci talk to me 18:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As creator of the article. Tempo21 (talk) 17:46, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Mr. Vujcic might be a talented sports journalist but I'm afraid WP:CONTN applies here. --N Jordan (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nominator. While there's enough here that he would probably be eligible to keep a properly sourced article, the sourcing in this article is almost entirely to self-published and/or affiliated non-independent sources that cannot aid in getting a person over WP:GNG. A writer does not automatically pass WP:AUTHOR just because their own self-published PR materials, or their bylines on newspaper articles about other topics, verify that they exist — a writer gets over AUTHOR when they're the subject of coverage in media sources which are independent of themselves, but that hasn't been shown here at all. Bearcat (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete perhaps it is merely WP:TOOSOON but I can't source it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I see external sources listed. Djordje does show up on a Google search as well. PidgeCopetti (talk) 12:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He's the bylined author, not the subject, of every single "external source" in this article whose content we're actually able to verify at all. And "shows up on a Google search" does not automatically constitute notability, either — we have to evaluate the quality, not the quantity, of Google hits, because a Google search is also going to include social media links, content where he's the bylined author and not the subject, hits for other unrelated people with the same name, and on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 19:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This seems to be a classic case of Wikihounding. McMeade (talk) 05:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? How'd you come to that conclusion? It doesn't make Djuradj Vujcic any more notable either way. Sionk (talk) 10:50, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – There are external sources (albeit not in English). I vote keep but keep in mind the crystal ball rule. Bruno Mammoth (talk) 08:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Where do you see a single external source in this article in which he's the subject, rather than the bylined author, of the source's content? Bearcat (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 are all external sources about him and they seem to be adequate. The only trouble is finding them and translating them to English. Bruno Mammoth (talk) 21:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 1 doesn't have him attributed as its author, I'll admit: it has his father attributed as its author, so it's still not a source that assists notability at all. And we don't keep an article on the basis of "two or three of these sources look like they might, maybe, be better than the others if, maybe, we could verify what they said", either — we have to actually be able to verify what those sources say, especially in an article where by far the majority of the sourcing is already in the not-acceptable pile. Bearcat (talk) 21:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, Bruno Mammoth! --N Jordan (talk) 05:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Bruno Mammoth (talk) 21:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Tempo21 can provide more information about that Literary Guild Award and the title of "youngest sports journalist in Canadian journalism history". The URL for the reference 4 is broken. For references 2 and 3 - it would be great to see them. References 1, 7,8, and 11 are personal trivia - they don't establish him as a journalist and/or translator. References 9, 10, and 12-17 are by him, not about him. Reference 6 is about him, but not sure if it can establish notability. At least 2/3 of the article are not about the journalism. This article (as is) is more about the person who is also a journalist than about a notable professional journalist. We don't discuss Djuradj Vujicic but the article about him. N Jordan (talk) 08:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should I provide scans? Does ref. 6 not establish notability? Tempo21 (talk) 06:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the list of Red nation contributors? Why would that confer notability? That only shows he writes for a soccer website. Sionk (talk) 22:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If ref. 2 and 3. could provide information who and when awarded the Literary Guild Award and the title of the youngest sports journalist in Canadian journalism history, that is something that would help to verify those claims. --N Jordan (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment on sources I was unable to spot Mi magazin. Moreover, the ISSN number provided is invalid. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How is it invalid? Tempo21 (talk) 13:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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