The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. I am not deleting Time (rapper), as it seems to have improved, but anyone can feel free to renominate it. Stifle (talk) 13:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dirty Laboratory Productions

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What we have here appears to be a walled garden of articles on rappers from Denver, all of whom are backed up by little to no supporting references to indicate their notability in the grand scheme of things. All are created by Timespitkicker (talk · contribs). The record label/collective Dirty Laboratory gets a whopping 165 Google hits and is backed up by minimal references; the associated artists get similarly unimpressive results in hunting around, and are supported by some minor references in rap/hiphop publications of questionable notability. Most of them also have several blogs linked as references. I don't see these artists or their label meeting WP:MUSIC at present. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 16:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following:

Delete - Can't find a reason to keep it. --Lord ₪Sunday 17:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, Dirty Laboratory Productions and all of it's artists comply with the wiki:music. All of the artists have consistent play on Clear Channel radio and are on the CMJ charts, they have also toured with big name acts such as Atmosphere, Aesop Rock and the Flobots. With artists up such as Cage (rapper) and many other indie hip hop acts I dont see why they shouldn't be included.

timespitkickerTuesday]] 15:03, 26 August 2008

Can you provide references so that we can verify the above information? I couldn't find a thing that wasn't from blogs or local papers. Are they being played nationally by Clear Channel? The articles suggest they're just getting local play. Has Dirty Laboratory been written up in a substantial manner by anyone outside of Denver? (additional: searching the CMJ site for any of the above doesn't help - i get nothing, again, so direct pointers to chart appearances would be useful.) Tony Fox (arf!) 21:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I should also point out that it's very likely that timespitkicker has a conflict of interest in this discussion; one of the artists in question goes by the name "Time.". Tony Fox (arf!) 21:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, there are actually a lot of references that aren't from local newspapers. There are reviews and interviews from Chicago, New York, Australia, Switzerland and France. I understand they are not the biggest collective but they are on the map and effecting indie hip hop. On the note of my username I am a big fan of their music, which is why I am taking the time to add them to this Wikipedia. My username may look fishy but anyone can create a username and I created one after my favorite rapper Time. I am currently working on more references and information on Dirty Laboratory Productions. I am sure the longer Dirty Laboratory Productions is up more people will come along and add more info I see it is all ready getting hits. Let me know what else I can provide to satisfy the needs of Wikipedia. timespitkickerTuesday]] 22:10, 26 August 2008

We need to see these references you speak of. Provide us links, please, because they're hiding really well in Google. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, the references were added to Dirty Laboratory Productions wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timespitkicker (talk • contribs) 06:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the supposed sources are either unreliable or trivial passing mentions. Sorry, but this is just MySpacery, the band clearly does not meet our inclusion and sourcing policies. Likely WP:COI from the few single-purpose editors involved does not inspire confidence. Sorry, guys, but this is not the place to spread the word. Guy (Help!) 08:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You moderators are pompous and ignorant. There are plenty of less significant acts on this database and if you wish to enforce your rules let's please make them straight across the board. Other groups that have toured with Dirty Laboratory Productions such as Shape Shifters (band), Daddy Kev and Astronautalis have little or no sources beyond myspacery especially international sources, therefore I did a damn well job. PEACE BE WITH YOU, YOU ARE FORGIVEN FOR YOUR TREACHERY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timespitkicker (talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, I think. Please read our no personal attacks policy, before continuing on. Look. A lot of times, articles slip through that shouldn't be included under our guidelines; at least one of the three you point out is unsourced nad should be deleted, and I'll be investigating that more thoroughly shortly. Your bands here just don't meet the guidelines, in the opinions of the editors who have commented thus far. This discussion goes for another few days before another administrator decides how to handle the request. If you have sources that can be considered reliable under the guidelines I've pointed out above, then please point them out and they'll be considered. Tony Fox (arf!) 23:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'd like to draw attention to the new article Time (rapper), which looks to be a reworked (with better sourcing) version of the deleted Time (hip hop artist). Not voicing an opinion on the merits of the article, just making sure people see it. 71.204.176.201 (talk) 23:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd ask the closing admin to consider this article as part of the AFD closure, then. It's created by a new editor, I note, and while there's some interviews included, I still don't see the needed notability for this artist. I'm done from here out, leave it for others to consider. Tony Fox (arf!) 02:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.