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The result was delete. JForget 00:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability has not been established. What has this person done to be notable? He published books. So what? What is notable about them and about him? This has been waiting for 12 months for an answer and that's more than long enough. GetDumb 10:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You don't seem understand what notability means on Wikipedia. It means there are enough sources to write about most aspects of the subject, not that the subject is famous.--Patton123 (talk) 10:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't understand the nomination obviously. Be constructive thank you. The challenge I put is all about providing sources to prove notability. GetDumb 13:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Although he has written the books, there is no indication of the books' notability:
  • A Scholar search shows that "Asperger syndrome in the inclusive classroom: advice and strategies for teachers" has been cited twice (see citations) - none of the other books have been cited anywhere according to Google.
  • A Book search shows only "Asperger Syndrome in the Inclusive Classroom: Advice and Strategies for Teachers" and "Homespun Remedies: Strategies in the Home and Community for Children with Autism Spectrum and Other Disorders" and only the latter has a review (at ask.com).
  • A News search shows a couple of minor references, no significant coverage.
• Although all 4 books are listed on Amazon (with sales rankings ranging from 66 thousand to 250 thousand - no where near the best-sellers list) I could find no reviews (other than 1 customer review on Amazon, and the ask.com review), no coverage of this author/books to show that they are notable. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: Per Phantom. Joe Chill (talk) 14:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• This is a reliable source. This is only a passing mention for WP:N purposes, but it establishes that Betts is a lecturer and speaker (i.e. an acknowledged authority in the autism community). This is essentially about Nancy Patrick, but it verifies Bett's professional status. This establishes the same thing.

  I think it would be possible to make a case that Betts is not notable, but actual deletion would fall foul of WP:PRESERVE, and what we actually need to do is locate a suitable merge target.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 16:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm going to nit-pick here (sorry!), as I had come across these references when I was looking for sources! Here are my comments:

1. The ask.com review is the one I was referring to above.
2. With regard to the autism-society references, the impression I got when I saw it was that this was the a-soc printing up a press release that they had received from Betts.
3. With regard to the therapeuticreources.com and papsa-web.org mentions, it verifies that he is "is Assistant to the Superintendent for Instructional Support at South Western School District in Hanover, PA." - Although it shows his qualification and job, I don't think that it demonstrates that the contribution he has made is necessarily notable enough to be included in an article (I don't mean his own article - I mean an associated one that the details could be merged into)

• • Overall, I am not sure that even if we could find a suitable article to merge the information with, that his contribution to the field would be notable enough for inclusion in that - there is no indication that his position or books are significant to the fields of Asperger's or Autism in general. With regard to WP:PRESERVE, I am not convinced that "move sourced and encyclopedic content to another article" would be met here, as the content is not sourced or particularly encyclopedic. The only source given is the external link, which leads to his own website, for which the only purpose of existence seems to be to sell his books. In the interests of ensuring that those who have knowledge in this area have the opportunity to make a contribution, I am leaving messages at autism-related talk pages, as below -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: A message about this AfD has been left at Talk:Autism -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: A message about this AfD has been left at Talk:Autism spectrum -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: A message about this AfD has been left at Talk:Asperger's syndrome -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable as an author. His notability as "an acknowledged authority in the autism community", as suggested above, is stretching things somewhat. Giving a talk at one's local chapter of an autism charity doesn't establish that any more than John the paramedic giving a talk on first aid to his son's school. Suggesting we "need" to "locate a suitable merge target" implies the article must have had more content when S Marshall read it. The article's current contents do not extend beyond the topic, which is itself not notable. Recent SPAM linking to the article rather suggests it is a vanity page. Colin°^Talk 19:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No evidence that Betts is notable as an author. Betts's press releases don't count. The books aren't notable either (as shown by searches above), but a book were notable, then there should be an article about the book not the author. Eubulides (talk) 19:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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