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The result was Keep. I will be renaming the article Detox (Dr. Dre album) as it is not the only album called Detox: See also Detox (Treble Charger album)--JForget 00:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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There's no official release date. The source cited was a YouTube video (YouTube it is not a reliable source, plus, it may be a copyvio. Not to mention the album was going to be released on 2004 according to Dr. Dre. This is WP:CRYSTAL as it finest. A similar AfD was deleted. Tasc0 21:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The YouTube video had Bishop Lamont (one of Dr. Dre's proteges) confirming the release date. There's the "FreshHipHopNews" source in the article also confirming the date. Also, this Raw Footage album only had 2 sources. This has more than 20 sources, MTV, Billboard, etc., notable, unlike Raw Footage. There is also the Los Angeles Times interview in which Dr. Dre himself confirms the 2008 release date. There are at least 10 other people confirmed to be working on this album. What does Raw Footage have? Nothing. Also, how can you even say it is WP:CRYSTAL, when Dr. Dre confirmed that Detox will be released? This nomination is WP:CRYSTAL at its finest, you are assuming that the album will not be released because its release date was pushed back. Dr. Dre, and his associates, saying the album will be released, and plenty of musicians confirming that they are working on the album, is not enough? --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 22:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Really beautiful, but, he's being pushing back the album for four years now. Doesn't matter if he say it will be out, and this AfD it is not to discuss about Raw Footage. Somewhat, looks you're doing that. I don't care if even Jesus or God is on the YouTube video, that's not a reliable source and a probably copy vio. Dr. Dre just said it will be out, and maybe talked about how he's working on the album. That's not a release date. Enough said.--Tasc0 23:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Saying it's out in 2008 is a release date. It probably passes WP:N because it has significant coverage. Enough said. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 23:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Of course the album is notable, because it is from a notable artists. Just like Raw Footage. But, considering that Dr. Dre has being talking about this album from about 2004, it's pretty obvious that he really doesn't have a release date. He only say "Oh yeah, it will be out on 2008". Just like he's beeing saying it since 2004. There is no official release date. He only said it will be out on 2008 because he thinks like that. Those are just words from an artists.--Tasc0 23:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • So, even though the artist says it's out next year, it won't be, because... you know it won't be? Raw Footage is not notable, there were only two sources there. Detox has like twenty references. Just because you say it won't be released doesn't mean Dr. Dre himself is wrong. It's his album, he should know better than... you. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 23:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • The references don't make an album notable, lol. That was funny. What makes it notable is whose artist is according to WP:MUSIC. That right there, says what's notable and what's not. I'm not saying I know more than Dr. Dre, for Pete's sake. How old are you? All I'm saying is that the release date is just a word of mouth. No release date from the record label = not official.--Tasc0 23:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • You are funny too. How old are you? WP:N. If there's significant coverage, then it's notable. The artist would know more about his own project than his record label. Why did you even vote keep at the Raw Footage AfD, if you knew it was only word of mouth? That's a bit strange. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 23:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • This is exactly the same thing than Ego Trippin'. The only difference is that this is a very anticipated album with no official release date. That's all.--Tasc0 23:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
              • Also, this is nothing like Ego Trippin'. That article only had two paragraphs of information. This has confirmed collaborations with notable artists. Ego Trippin' didn't even have a confirmed release date. This album has a release date. Dr. Dre himself said it will be released in 2008. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 23:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
                • You just don't get it, do you?. I do understand this album has a lot of featured guest, like you said. That doesn't even matter, that does not give an official release date. It only says that Dr. Dre is working on it, just like Raw Footage and probably Ego Trippi'n. We don't even know where those song are going to end up. But that's not the point, the point is the release date is just a rumor that came out of Dr. Dre mouth with out backing it up with the record label official release date.--Tasc0 23:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• (unindent) You don't get it. WP:N. It has significant coverage, it is therefore notable. I honestly don't know what the hell you're talking about with the release date. Jesus Christ, are you honestly trying to say that it's a rumor, even though the ARTIST HIMSELF confirmed it? What the hell are you even doing editing Wikipedia if you don't get this? Also, how do you find WP:N funny ("The references don't make an album notable, lol. That was funny.")? You obviously need to take a break or something, clear your head, then look at WP:N, re-read the article, etc., then you will realize that you are wrong, and that Dr. Dre is a reputable source :). Don't even try to compare this with Ego Trippin' and Raw Footage, this has more sources (coverage) than the two articles put together. At this point, I believe that even if the album were to be shelved, it would still deserve an article, simply because it passes WP:N. The fact that you are now saying that Dr. Dre is spreading rumors about his own album (LOL moment) probably means that even you realized that you are wrong, and that you are just trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find some reasons to delete this article. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 03:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I clearly don't see your point here. What I said, is that you can't compare how many references an article has and say it's notable just because it has more than another one. And I really don't understand what are you trying to say about me trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel. I nominated the article with the reason I think it's a valid one. The fact is, that even though Dr. Dre said it will be out on 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, etcetera, there is no official release date. I can understand that you may not find this reason valid, but at least can you understand it? That's all I want right now.--Tasc0 03:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't understand how you can claim that Dr. Dre is spreading rumors about his own album, and, clearly, no one else does either, since every single vote so far has been a "Keep" vote, also stating it's not WP:CRYSTAL. If it has many references, (in most cases) it means that it has significant coverage. Also, with the guests, it means that he has actually created parts of the album, he already said there's at least 18 potential tracks, he even named a track ("Intervention"). The difference between Detox and the other two albums you mentioned is that... Ice Cube and Snoop Dogg have not mentioned anything about parts of the album being completed. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 14:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There's nothing in WP:MUSIC that states that an album needs to have an official release date to be notable. WP:CRYSTAL does not apply, as the album currently exists. It's not finished, but it exists. The article is well-written, cited, etc. No reason to delete. —  MusicMaker5376 02:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't even know if "the album is ready". Nobody know where those songs may end up. I already said that. And the reason I nominated is because there is no official release date, not because the article needs a clean up or be cited. What the hell.--Tasc0 03:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the artists said they will end up on Detox, they will probably end up on Detox, how can you say "we don't know where they will end up", when the artists themselves confirmed this? That passes WP:VERIFY, maybe Dr. Dre will change his mind, but, you know what? He didn't deny that they will end up on the album. It doesn't need an "official release date", if so, you might as well delete like half of the albums found here. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 14:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep it. Mind you, the article exists since 2004 and you are the first person who thinks it should be deleted. Daniil Maslyuk 04:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It is not crystalballing at all. We have articles on events that will occur years from now, mostly sporting events. We can make articles about future events if some information is notable now. An example would be a choosing of a city to host an Olympic Games or the casting of a movie that will be released in Spring or Summer 2008. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Does anybody that cites CRYSTAL actually bother reading it? It's expected that Detox will drop sometime, and it already exists. Notability is strong, and barring everything else, it needs a seperate article because of summary style. east.718 at 09:14, 10/21/2007

• Keep - The Raw Footage article was not giving any sources, only two interviews saying that he is working on it. This album is having so much sources info etc... And it says albums gone out in June 2008. So it has a release date? can't believe it was actually for deletion. West Coast Ryda 15:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - While people are trying to make the best out of this article and make it notable someone is coming halfway nominating it for deletion, really funny LOL. --West Coast Ryda 15:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - Definite keep in my opinion, the page is well sourced and gives alot of information. Also, i don't get why Tasco nominated this per WP:CRYSTAL, when in the Raw Footage Afd he had an argument with West Coast Ryda of why Raw Footage wasn't CRYSTAL, but Detox has much more refs and he says this is CRYSTAL-balling, makes no sense. - Keep It Real - Real Compton G 15:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I would vote for a keep, only because, if this article, can stay (as what some call the "holy grail"), seeing as that article only has a few refs, then this article, (which has many, and is considered the "hip-hop holy grail"), should be able to stay also. --JpGrB 16:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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