The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There were many suggestions to merge these articles, but this is not practical. Per WP:NOT#INDESCRIMINATE, they are deleted. —Doug Bell ^talk 00:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dance Dance Revolution 2ndMIX song list

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This is a list of songs in one of the Dance Dance Revolution games. The game is notable, but the lists are unencyclopedic - one such list, Dance Dance Revolution SuperNOVA song list, is one of the largest articles on Wikipedia. These lists are mostly unmaintained, and are probably better off on a fan site - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, nor is it a game guide.

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Weak keep We also have an article for the soundtracks heard in the NHL video game series, so why not have this article? P.B. Pilhet / Talk 01:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Wikipedia policy states that just because an article of equal or lesser quality can be found, doesn't mean that an article should be kept. There are presumably many articles that should not be on Wikipedia - or should at least be reviewed - but it is like the "S/He did it first" argument, a Wikipedia editor saw this one first , and so this one should be dealt with appropriately (be it delete or keep) Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 20:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge them all into a new article about DDR songs. Nevermind I like Resolute's idea better, merge per Resolute. --Candy-Panda 02:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Given the size of the SuperNOVA one, merging doesn't appear to be an option. --Core desat 02:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all into their parent articles. There is no need for separate articles in this case. Resolute 02:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge them all into one article, call it List of songs appearing in Dance Dance Revolution, and be done with it. There's no need to have a list for each game when there are so many repeats. I think the list is a good idea, many of the songs and artists are notable, and nearly anyone looking up info on DDR will want it.--UsaSatsui 11:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all but keep a list of notable new songs in each game's article, like the one in the Extreme article. These lists are totally unencyclopedic, and Wikipedia is not the place for them. We don't have a complete list of every Beethoven composition ever made, or every Van Gogh picture either. Those are for monographs and dedicated sites. However we have a list of notable Van Gogh works, so I think it makes sense to have one for these (but integrated in the articles). --Pi (π) 11:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Although, how do you determine notability for songs in DDR? Few of the songs are really notable in and of themselves. A lot are J-pop songs, which aren't typically notable in the English-speaking world; many are remixes, which aren't typically notable either. ♠PMC♠ 21:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Same way you determine notability for anything else. Verified sources. Sources from Japan are just as valid, and even in the US, most people have heard of Duran Duran and Chumbawumba. True, though, most of these artists aren't popular here. --UsaSatsui 00:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as per Pi (π).--Madmedea 15:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Wikipedia is not a host for listcruft. ♠P M C♠ 21:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Merge into one article [with an extra column indicating which mixes a song appears in] Good material, and many songs and their inclusion is notable, but redundant. +sj + 21:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Are you serious? There's nothing encyclopedic about these articles at all. Why would an encyclopedia article about DDR list at such breathtaking length the songs in the game instead of, oh, explaining what the game is and why it's popular, etc. Allon Fambrizzi 00:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
For the same reason it might include a long list of popes in addition to why they're important. The songs used in the game is a very important aspect of the game itself, and it's not like we don't have room. I support a list because otherwise, the articles would get too long. --UsaSatsui 00:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure whether you realize it, but you just compared DDR to the Catholic Church. Some perspective is called for. Allon Fambrizzi 01:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
- Well, to the Pope, but I didn't really compare them. You asked why a large list would be included in an "encyclopedic" article. That's an example of such a list. --UsaSatsui 04:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Did you understand what I meant? The Catholic Church is of much greater notability than DDR. So a list of popes is encyclopedic where a list of songs from DDR isn't. Sorry, not everything is equal. Allon Fambrizzi 08:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
    - But why is it unencyclopedic? I understand not everything is equal, but we're not talking about paper here. It's a useful list, it's discriminate, contains non-trivial information and enhances the articles it's related to (or it would, if my suggestion of merging to one list passes. It's moot if they get merged into their game's articles, and I don't think there's any chance of a "keep as is"). Being "more" or "less" notable than something else, especially a juggernaut like the Catholic Church, doesn't matter, so long as the basic notability threshold is hit. --UsaSatsui 15:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. find some Wiki which would take it. SYSS Mouse 02:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into their parent articles as suggested above. --Kyoko 18:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with individual parent articles, the information is best served there I believe. (jarbarf) 18:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a single parent article Simplify the list down to game and title of song while giving encyclopedic information about the game as a whole. --Deeno 2110, 8 Febuary 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Wikipedia isn't a game guide. People can go to video game sites for song lists for DDR games. RobJ1981 19:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into parent articles as per the commenters above. Yamaguchi先生 07:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into appropriate parent articles, or if not to one article. Parent articles would be preferable in my opinion, however.--CastAStone|^(talk) 15:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.