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The result was keep. Neıl ☎ 11:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DC Comics martial artists

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This article is comprised primarily of original research in the sorting and synthesizing of martial arts schools throughout the DC Comics fictional universe. Efforts in the past for rewrite for a more encyclopedic tone, not based in original research have met with some resistance, ([1], [2]). Additionally, martial arts prowess itself is not a notable aspect of comics in the superhero genre, let alone DC Comics. The article ill defines the definition of martial artists, focusing primarily on Eastern martial arts and their structures. Although a compromise of a list article has been offered in the past; ultimately, the qualification for inclusion in this article and any subsequently produced derivative would be arbitrary, at best (which is likely why other superhero genre comics publishers do not have there own "(Comic Publisher)s martial artists" articles). -Sharp962 (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC).[reply]

merge with List of fictional martial artists Jasynnash2 (talk) 07:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/merge There is lots to say abou DC characters and there are whole encyclopedias about nothing else. This article seems to be a reasonable attempt to present some of this material. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The "efforts in the past" being cited here, both by 66.109.248.114 aka Sharp962, referred to inaccuracies in the article without ever providing examples of what those inaccuracies were meant to be. Moreover, how is it "original research" to point out that in one book Batman learned from Master Kirigi (a verifiable fact, from Batman vol. 1 #431), and in another (Detective Comics #38), taught Dick Grayson? Or that Kirigi taught Bronze Tiger (as shown in Suicide Squad #38), who, in turn, taught Cassandra Cain (Batgirl #67)? D1Puck1T (talk) 09:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom. It's not original research to point out verifiable facts, although with the frequent retconning comics do, "facts" aren't as verifiable as all of that. It's a WP:SYN violation to declare them "martial artists" at all. Who says, and how come? Does every character who fights barehanded, have an epicanthic fold and a vaguely Oriental name qualify? Ravenswing 19:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are martial arts in many parts of the world, and the rule of thumb seems to be that being trained to fight hand to hand means you are trained in martial arts. --Nick Penguin_(contribs) 04:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- In response to User:Colonel Warden, I think there is th ability to make a distinction of how to present the material. Most of the characters still have existing character pages (a platform to present said material); rather than the current presentation, which loosely and arbitarily threads these characters together. -Sharp962 (talk) 23:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Keep - With a cleanup tag. This article has potential, IMO Gdavid3 (talk) 19:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keepa good way to deal with minor characters, and to bring rlevant information together .DGG (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete synthesis. In this case, gleaning the comics themselves (primary sources that can be subject to interpretation) generates the synthesis by advancing an argument. Had this cited secondary sources advancing this as a common topic, it would be an article worth keeping, but I doubt that such secondary, reliable sources, even exist. B.Wind (talk) 05:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How about The DC Comics Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to the Characters of the DC, which Colonel Warden linked to in his vote? --Nick Penguin_(contribs) 11:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.