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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 01:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Corinne Silva (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Not sure if this biography is notable. No references. No pages linked. Never quite sure with artists where notability lies. Don't think so in this case. Seaweed (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Women, Photography, and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I'm guessing this is either an autobiography or other type of COI creation by a gallery that shows her work due to the entirely unsourced article containing many details about her. A WP:BEFORE search found a review of her work in Financial Times:[1], but almost everything else I have found so far seems to be gallery PR, social media, an interview[2] (primary source that doesn't count towards notability because no editorial content), a book review on F-stop magazine's blog,[3], database listings, press releases. I also found an online artist project for which she took the photos[4]. The Wikipedia Library found an in-depth article by TJ Demos in Photoworks Journal [5] (you might have to log into WP:LIB to read it). What seems to be missing are a track record of art reviews by critics or art historians, works in museum collections, so I don't think she meets NARTIST, but I think she may meet GNG. Holding off on !voting for now, as I'd like to hear feedback from others who edit in the visual arts/photography area. Netherzone (talk) 20:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I had marked this for notability in 2021. I was in the middle of another task, and did not get back to clean-up/delete. No improvement made to article. Notability tag removed by SPA without adding a single reference. I am not finding any RS to confirm claims made in the article. Fails WP:ARTIST. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Keep - Changing vote to keep per WP:HEY. I rewrote the lede becasue we still don't have a birth year or place and the second sentence was artspeak, not supported by the citation. I also think the unsourced last paragraph of shows should be removed. Only to be returned with sourcing. Article has changed from an artist statement to an article. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete: Everything about it leaves a bad taste. Nowhere near statisfying WP:GNG. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is nothing more than a artist statement and bio. Complete with the empty "art speak". This has no business being on wikipedia. Steelyphilly (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: As the article has rewritten I flip my vote to Keep. Thank you@Netherzone for your research! I still think that artist statements have no business being on here! Steelyphilly (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – A thorough WP:BEFORE finds that she clearly meets WP:GNG. While in the early stages of her career as an artist who works in the genre of environmental photography and socially aware photography, her work has indeed received critical/analytical coverage that one would expect a notable artist to have. While she does not yet meet WP:NARTIST, there is enough WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources that she solidly meets the general notability guideline. I invite WomenArtistUpdates, MaskedSinger and Steelyphilly to consider the in-depth reliable sources that have been found:

• Magazine article on her work: Financial Times Magazine, January 2019 “Plants, Power and the Israeli State” by Shela Sheikh , https://www.ft.com/content/2847ba10-08b4-11e9-9fe8-acdb36967cfc (try clearing your browser cookies to bypass the paywall)

• An entire academic journal article on her work: "Cultivated Affects The Artistic Politics of Landscape and Memory in Amman’s Gardens" by Colin McLaughlin-Alcock, published: 17 December 2020 https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1111/var.12219 (you will need a WP:LIB card to access this on Wiley)

• Journal article by Caruso, Martina. 2019. "Conversing with Ghosts of the Previously Tamed: lens-based media technologies and non-human animals in the work of Christoph Keller, Corinne Silva and Basma Alsharif" in ESPACE art actuel ‘Point de vue animal/Animal Point of View’, no. 121 (Winter), pp. 28 – 33.

• Book chapter on her work in: “Photography Reframed: New Visions in Contemporary Photographic Culture.” Editors: Ben Burbridge, Annebella Pollen, the chapter by Chad Elias is on her work: “Landscape Photography's 'New Humanism”, pages 175-186. ISBN 9781784538828, I.B. Tauris (I was able to view on Google Books)

• Her book, “Garden State”, in addition to the review by Hans Durrer in F-Stop Magazine’s blog [6] linked above, there is this review: 2016 Book review: Corinne Silva: Garden State, by Francesca Laura Cavallo, Camera Austria, Issue 135 [7]

• In addition to the twelve-page spread by TJ Demos linked above, (2012) Spaces of Global Capital: On the Photography of Corinne Silva & Jason Larkin, TJ Demos, Photoworks 19, ISBN 9781903796368,[8] there is this review: [9], this review [10], this interview: [11],

The article need to be rewritten, probably pruned back to a short stub with proper citations. Netherzone (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough. i will take a look. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

indeed. I added three of the refs above to the article. Still not finding any biographical information that can be used in the article. I will continue looking. I can't get past the FT paywall. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WomenArtistUpdates, Financial Times has a really strong paywall~! I can't get back in on Safari even after clearing my cookies. I tried accessing it on Firefox and got it at: [12] I copied the text from the article and will email it to you where you can read it offline if you can't access it thru an alternative browser. If I post it here it will be a COPYVIO. Netherzone (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Netherzone. I changed my !vote. Thanks for digging deeper. I could not see beyond poorly written article originally presented. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per HEY, and if this one has been improved enough to make WomenArtistUpdates flip to Keep that's certainly an indication that things are looking up for the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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