The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper Saxe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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No evidence of notability, no evidence that this character warrants a page. No sources relating to the character, just an imdb page for the actor. This was previously moved to the draft space on Nov 5 and then moved back without any actual improvement. I would support redirecting to the main TV series or another related article. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 15:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Television. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 15:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Actually it was draftified and the draft was abandoned and the creator produced another article with no improvements, thus the article and draft coexist. Article is a copy edit from Tommy Egan, and one thing I dislike about AfD is that notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article although the article is poorly written and should be draftified (but cannot be as draft already exist). I would prefer PROD as the subject played a main role in Power and spin-off Power Book II: Ghost meaning they are probably notable. dxneo (talk) 23:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo: - thanks for the note. Sorry I have been afk (do people still say that?) for the past several days or so and was not ignoring your thoughtful response here and on my talk page. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your arguments. The state of the article certainly caused me to question the character's notability, but I did do a BEFORE inquiry before bringing it here. Obviously we all miss things and maybe this is the case here since the state of the article skewed my thoughts.. but my search stills appears to suggest to me that despite being a character in these shows and this being verifiable, there is not significant in-depth coverage of the character in RS to warrant keeping the article. I note that despite OTHERSTUFFEXISTING that many of the main characters in the show either do not have articles or had their articles deleted (well at least in one instance). I appreciate your input and I invite others to disagree with me, but this is my position and frankly it's just easier to let this run its course at this point. But really, thanks for your thoughtful contributions. Cheers! ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:25, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you El, I was actually planning on rewriting the whole article to adequately signify the notability of the character, however I'm currently experiencing mobile data problems therefore I am going to lean towards draftify for now (WP:AtD), if that's possible since there's already a draft. The below mentioned (green) sources are more than enough to pass notability, hopefully someone will takeover. dxneo (talk) 22:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Since the AfD hasn't been withdrawn I'm just gonna assume the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE as it states here that the subject was a series regular in the original Power from 2014 to the very last season in 2020, and here that their role was reprised for the spin-off Power Book II: Ghost. As a Power Universe fan, I know the character played a main role for three seasons in the spin-off and I can definitely cite the whole internet to prove it as there are countless RS (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and probably more) on the character. Article needs cleanup and proper citing to comply with our guidelines or incubation so that it can be adequately improved. dxneo (talk) 09:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support for a Redirect, as suggested by the nominator (to what target article?) or a draftification.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify, I believe that the page has potential and the character is notable, I will personally attend to the page as mentioned above with more RS. dxneo (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify since there's someone willing to work on it in draft space. Pretty clear. Ping User:Liz, I think we can close it? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• I endorse the draftify suggestion as nominator. Thanks all ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 19:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.