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The result was keep. John254 15:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congregation Beth Israel Abraham Voliner

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Article about a synagogue in Kansas City with no third party references to prove WP:Notability. Was prodded, but removed with the rationale "110 years old, only Orthodox synagogue in Kansas City = notable". I don't believe that being the only synagogue/church/temple in a city makes somewhere notable, and can't see why the age is relevant - most churches in the UK are 700+ years old but that doesn't make them notable. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Khoi khoi 20:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Khoi khoi 20:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep one of the first and oldest worship houses of its kind in the Kansas City area. Unfair age comparison between KC and UK, as KC is a much younger than the UK. about 1.8 million people in KC metro, only one synagogue? Yeah, that's noteworthy.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It wasn't meant to be an age comparison, merely pointing out that age is irrelevant to notability. If it is so notable, could we have some third party sources, as I can only find 13 hits on Google, which is three times less than my local church in a village which has less than 1,800 residents. Also, it's not the only synagogue, its the only orthodox synagogue. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 13:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Definitely a stub that could use some fleshing out (like that's uncommon) but easily notable. Also agree that comparing UK and KC doesn't work here. --Quartermaster (talk) 13:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. "Only Orthodox synagogue in Kansas City" is indeed a criteria for notability, IMO. Also, the correct number of Google hits is 844, not 13. Khoi khoi 19:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm not sure if "most churches in the UK are 700+ years old", but I know that the oldest synagogue in the UK is just over 300 years old. America is a young country, and Kansas City, Kansas was only incorporated in 1872. The synagogue is notable for its age and unique position in the religious and cultural history and life of the city. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Early religious foundations are notable from just that, as are other firsts. Note that the building is not that old, just the congregation. DGG (talk) 02:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if high schools are notable for being high schools, synagogues can be notable for being synagogues. The fact that churches in the UK don't have their articles written yet should not substantiate deleting this article which has been written. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 05:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources provided do not establish notability. To sum up: two mention the synagogue (once mention each) in the context of a bio on Rabbi David Fine. One mentions that the synagogue received a grant. One does give an overview of the synagogue- the Pluralism Project [1]. However, the Pluralism Project picks institutions not by their prestige or notability, but by their pluralistic tendencies. See their list [2]. In short, it's just another synagogue - at least, according to all the provided sources. --Eliyak T·C 18:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Eliyak: So for that matter could you please explain what makes any synagogue notable if not facts about its age, rabbis, actvities, mention in local media? For Jews and Judaism, synagogues are by definition the core and heart of any Jewish comnmunity and they are the main starting points of studying and knowing the history of any Jewish community. IZAK (talk) 13:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it is an important contribution to the little that is known about the History of the Jews in Kansas (yet to be fully written) and as such it is automatically notable. Also this synagogue is in the heart of Overland Park, Kansas the most important Jewish community in Kansas City, Kansas and hence in all of Kansas. IZAK (talk) 13:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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