The result was no consensus.
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I am discounting the opinions that do not address the possible policy-based reason for deletion of this article, which is original research by synthesis because of an alleged lack of sources covering the topic "Communist terrorism" as distinct of other forms of left-wing terrorism. Because of the loaded and complicated nature of this AfD, I am more stringently than otherwise excluding any type of "votes", including WP:PERNOM comments, and am counting ony arguments that reflect a certain degree of individual engagement with the policy-based rationale raised in the nomination, and especially with the sources at issue. This means that I disregard the following opinions in this discussion for the purpose of determining whether there is a policy-based, informed consensus to delete this article:
Only ten opinions address the relevant question of policy and the sources at issue in what I think is at least adequate depth, and they are equally divided:
This leaves us with no consensus to delete this article. |
Editorial consensus will need to be sought in order to determine how to proceed with this article. Editors should request administrative intervention if this process continues to be disrupted by edit-warring. In particular, I am mindful to block any editor who, from now on, makes a revert from the "long" version to the "short" version of the article, or vice versa, that is not their first such revert. This also applies to editors who have already made one or more such reverts. I do not want to lock the article in any of these versions, but the edit-warring needs to stop. Sandstein 09:49, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's time to revisit this question. I made a good faith and (tootin' my own horn, here) valiant effort to find decent sources on this topic that made explicit connections between communist ideology and terrorism. The ONLY thing I found was a book by Trotsky [1] and references to Apartheid South Africa's concern about the ANC's ideological connections to communism (e.g. there is a book by F. R. Metrowich documenting this connection). These two ideas are disparate and unconnected, but more than this, there are no top-level discussions of the connection between communism as a political ideology and terrorism. There are groups that adopt terrorism and communist ideologies certainly, but I cannot find any sources which identify communist terrorism as a monolithic ideology. I believe that the article is inviting us to synthesize discussions of groups who have connections to two different topics: communism and terrorism. I decided to propose this article for deletion after discussion on Talk:Communist terrorism where I posted results of a search through Columbia University Library's subjects and could find nothing that approached the ostensible topic of this article. jps (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That probably explains why scholars do not use the term "communist terrorism" as a typology and why we can find no sources for it. Instead they use the slightly less loaded term left-wing terrorism. TFD (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]The main scientific impulse... has been to look for analytical or value-neutral and inclusive typologies that avoid selective judgments. In all events, the history of the term [terrorism] is a history of condemnations, and the dynamic involved is that the term chases many events and situations that have little else in common other than the fact that they are perceived by some some party as threatening and offensive. In the last analysis, it becomes claear the "the very process of definition is itself part of the wider conflict between ideologies or political objectives". As a general rule, partisans forever attempt to loead words--"liberal," "conservative," "right," and "left" are but a few examples--with primarlity emotive or evaluative responses, and the word "terrorism" appears to be an extreme example of this practice. Gearty observed in 1991 that "the words 'terror' and 'terrorism' have come to be regarded as such powerful condemnations that all those looking for a suitable insult have wanted to appropriate them".[15]
(out)(To L2) Fabricate? More PA when you were told to cease? Try looking at [22] I'm sure if we listen carefully we'll hear the entire internet weeping... Collect [23] Collect, if you refuse to allow the possibility that other editors might be operating in [wp:AGF|good faith]], please say so now, explicitly, so that I can ask an admin to indef-block you [24] Again, the whole "baffle 'em with bull" approach doesn't work on me [25] we seem to have some free time while the AfD plays out, I'm going to make an offer. If anyone wants to make an argument to reinsert specific sections or passages from the moved material, I'm listening as el Exigente. And I aver that I made none of these diffs up either. Collect (talk) 12:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]