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The result was Redirect to Krav Maga. AfD is being bombarded with sock !votes; closing a little early as consensus is clearly established when these !votes are discounted. Tan | 39 17:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Declined re-post CSD. The notable bits are WP:Coatrack and already covered in the main Krav Maga entry. The rest is dubious and cites dubious sources. Related AfD: Moni Aizik. 9Nak (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete same as last AFD RogueNinja_talk 19:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and salt. Enough with this spam. As the nom says the sources are dubious (and this is really to say the least). Examples: commandokravmaga.com (used 4 times as a ref) is clearly a promotional site, ref 19 is a wordpress blog, refs 3-6 aren't about CKM at all (they don't even mention it or krav maga). Not only is this article poorly sourced, some of these claims are provably false. Example: "Commando Krav Maga has been featured in the History Channel show Human Weapon" - Krav maga was featured at the History channel,[1] not CKM. Rami R 21:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete (G4 or G11) — whether it's blatant recreated of deleted material or spammity spam spam, it certainly meets criteria for speedy deletion. I would personally hold the salt until it's done again, but I wouldn't really adamantly oppose creation protection. MuZemike (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Moni Aizik unless there's concern that it is a fairly generic term (Israeli commandos study a form of Krav Maga), in which case rd to Krav Maga. JJL (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect/merge Keep This article is heavily redundant to the Krav Maga article. This redundancy make the article read as spam. 260 certified instructors in 22 countries is notable. jmcw (talk) 21:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  It's only proof of notability if it's properly sourced. It is currently sourced to commandokravmaga.com, a clearly promotional site and as such not a reliable source. Rami R 22:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. —Rami R 22:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect/merge to Krav Maga & link to Moni Aizik currently spamy mess tied to tidy, dubious on notability seems to need lots of cleaning & won't be a lot left afterwards, as lots or over lap to Krav Maga. --Nate1481 10:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree A few sentences in the Krav Maga or Moni Aizik would be enough. And it is a spamy mess<g>. jmcw (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Commando Krav Maga is significant to martial arts history and is a notable subject.Jackal2119 (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• KEEP article is a useful tool for those interested in the subject as well as a significant to martial arts history. 129.12.238.229 (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please familiarize yourself with wikipedia policy. See WP:NOT RogueNinja_talk 20:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• KEEP Keep commando krav maga article is useful for those interested in learning isreali fighting disciplines —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.197.82 (talk) 01:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• KEEP TO Everyone Who Needs Hear Objective Truth, Commando Krav Maga should be kept on the Wikipedia site for the following 2 reasons: 1) It would help bring creditability back to Wikipedia as a source of information considering scandals that the site has had in the last couple years. It would show impartiality instead bending to pressure of one side. 2) Commando Krav Maga is a subject of historical significance, and has helped bring about a change of significance to the Israeli Army, Military and Law enforcement agencies around the world. If Wikipedia is going to be a truly credible source of information then it must have Commando Krav Maga in its pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.244.136.194 (talk) 01:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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You really should read Objectivity (philosophy), then you might realise that objective is the exact opposite of this opinion. Also please don't imply that someone who can't be bothered to create an account and has only edited ONCE, and that not even to contribute to an article, has the best interests of wikipedia at heart. --Nate1481 15:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The formation of Commando Krav Maga is an important part of martial arts history and is an interesting subject, Please keep.131.230.43.135 (talk) 06:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Commando Krav Maga it is a great Martial Art and a important subject70.79.224.119 (talk) 08:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment all the above IPs and User:Jackal2119 have only contributed to this AfD --Nate1481 09:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete As per wp:g4 Alexnia (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was suggested, but opposed by an IP & refused] by Gwen Gale. --Nate1481 13:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

jup and I still want it to be speedy deleted the number of Ips Editing this Afd is getting enormous someone must be using a proxyserver. Alexnia (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Commando Krav Maga is significant to martial arts history and is a notable subject. This is essential information about Israeli martial arts history.12.32.37.182 (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Commando Krav Maga is significant to martial arts history and is a notable subject.It is a significant contribution to martial arts and Israeli history.216.193.145.62 (talk) 14:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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