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The result was delete. Moreschi ^Talk 13:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christos Papachristopoulos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Seems to be non-notable person. I can't find the books listed using google (or anything on google or google scholar with these names). I can't find a notabe person with this name. Anarchia 09:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can't find them because these are essays and articles in Greek newspapers! Well, my opinion is that the content is MOST important than the person... maybe you should read it, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.135.8 (talk) 09:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notice also its relation with The State of Siege and Insense and Prometheus and Aeschylus'. Maybe you don't care... but maybe in Greece someone is... and think that you could also reject Camus! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.135.8 (talk) 09:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion is that these entries are very important. Don't throw them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrysJazz (talk • contribs) 09:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, i just noticed that Anarchia and Sofia -as well as New Zealand, meaning Nea Zoi, Land of New Life- are Greek! Anarchia means without principles and Sofia means Wisdom... so, as a result, maybe all these seem Greek to you because you are not Greek. Now, is Wikipedia only English??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.135.8 (talk) 10:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One more word - i searched in Wikipedia about what a reliable source is and i found that it depends on scrutiny. I went to the word scrutiny in Wikipedia to find what scrutiny is... well, guess what... even this article does not meet Wikipedia standards!!!!!!! hahahahaha! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrysJazz (talk • contribs) 10:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The article is a joke entry without sources of any kind and any way to verify anything in the article. There is not even his name written in Greek or a link to Greek Wikipedia's article on him. Mlewan 12:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Not Delete It is a very serious article, original research and easily read, especially in univesities. Greek Wikipedia? What is this? Moreover, the phrase insense is in the text of L'Etat de Siege by Camus himself and it seems Papachristopoulos is the only one who can explain what it means. Eveybody must read this -and it seems that there is really a connection between Cadmus, Camus, Kandinsky, Insense and Synaesthesia. Read Kandinsky book The Spiritual in Art and also Maritain's Integral Humanism. This is a perfect entry for Wikipedia, you should be proud for your contributors, not for your administrators... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.135.8 (talk) 13:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • You do not seem to get this. In Wikipedia it does not matter if the content of an article is important and true. The only thing that matters is that it is verifiable. If it is important and true but not verifiable, you have to find somewhere else to publish it.
  • Original research is a criterion to delete material. It is not a good think in en encyclopaedia. Mlewan 14:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • Buddy i suggest list some sources that one of us can actualy read or you really have no valid reason for keep. BTW use "Keep" instead of "not delete" ForeverDEAD 15:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • • I think sources in Greek would be fine. However, so far we do not even have that. Not one single. Mlewan 16:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nonsense. JJL 16:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, fails WP:V - no sources are present. WP is not the place for OR. meshach 17:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I made several changes to this article (and others linked to it) trying to clean it up a bit, while at the same time searching for sources. Couldn't find any, however I just thought it was something to do with it being a Greek topic and I wasn't searching properly. So gave it the benefit of the doubt and figured it just needed someone more familiar with the subject to provide sources. Further searches a little while ago still returned nothing. Certainly seems to fail WP:OR. Not sure how to do it, but might want to include Insensé in this Afd as it is basically the same content as half the Christos Papachristopoulos article. A^RendedWinter 18:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I searched for his Greek name, Χρήστος Παπαχριστόπουλος. At least there is a journalist with that name. He writes for a car magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlewan (talk • contribs) 23:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I am also nominating the following related page because, as Arendedwinter has pointed out, it was created by the same person/people and contains almost the same material, and, again it seems to violate WP:OR. If the idea is a significant one in the work of Camus, then it could perhaps be saved by being properly referenced. But, a good portion of the article would still need to be deleted. Anarchia 20:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Insensé (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Insensé theory (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• Delete Fails notability. Ideas are cranky original research. (Delete Insensé too and get rid of similar material which has been added to the Albert Camus article). --Folantin 20:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Question Is it possible to get 77.49.135.8 ChrysJazz (talk • contribs) to stop adding more OR material related to these pages to wikipedia while the matter is under consideration? Anarchia 20:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dunno. I remember we had quite a game getting him to stop posting his own translations (including a full-length Greek version of a Camus play) on English Wikipedia. --Folantin 20:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete - Without sources, full of original research, the person may very well be notable, but doesn't seem to be in English. --Rocksanddirt 04:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, he is not the same with the one who writes in the car magazine... but, you should consider saving his contributions because it the best material you had since years for Camus and synaesthesia... and, then, wikipedia has the copyrights for it, so everyone is happy... or you will be ever able to learn Greek? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.129.58 (talk) 06:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As i said, you scholars people, you would even delete Camus as not a notable person... even the article for the word scrutiny you have judged it as not appropriate for wikipedia. Just see this and ask yourselves... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrysJazz (talk • contribs) 06:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But it is really a Greek joke - "ανέκδοτον" - anekdoton - unedited - that Anarchia which means "αν-αρχία" meaning without principles/sources wants sources!!! Well, if you are really scholars and not computers, you know what source, principle, origin and root' mean!

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