The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The desirability of a redirect or otherwise to Chouannerie left to editorial discretion and is not a part of this close. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chouan family

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Obviously non-notable. Run-of-the-mill family document. Seems like it is only used for private use or publicity. Mr. Guye (talk) 21:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, surely this page was not intended for publicity (the family looks extincted from centuries). And I think that, being the Chouannerie a very important topic in the French history, the family at the roots of it is notable as well. By the way, the page is rated as a Mid-importance topic on the WikiProject France.--Lal.sacienne (talk) 09:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - not being used for publicity, but it needs a lot of clean-up, perhaps userfication. Bearian (talk) 20:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't establish that it meets WP:NOTABILITY. Boleyn (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a genealogy. That is all this article appears to be. If Charles X thought so highly of Jean Cottereau/Jean Chouan, that should be covered in that article, not here. Much of this article is duplicated there. --Bejnar (talk) 22:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I note that the Columbia Encyclopedia has an entry for the Chouan family that reads:

peasants of W France who rose against the French Revolutionary government in 1793. One of their first leaders was Jean Cottereau, traditionally nicknamed Jean Chouan, marquis de La Rouerie [John the owl, marquess of Mischief], and the Chouans supposedly used the hoot of an owl as a signal. The movement eventually merged with the contemporary rising in the Vendée . The Chouans were motivated by their opposition to specific policies of the new republican government that interfered with their way of life, including religious policy and enforcement of the conscription laws. The name Chouannerie continued to be used in reference to guerrilla warfare that lasted until Napoleon. The so-called Petite Chouannerie persisted until 1815, when Napoleon was forced to divert troops from Waterloo to quell it. Honoré de Balzac's novel Les Chouans pictures these people vividly.

I do not think that we should compromise our standards, although this does suggest that other sources are out there for a very different article, which I believe is the one at Chouannerie. Balzac wrote a semi-historical novel Les Chouans about Jean Cottereau/Jean Chouan that helped spread the legend of Jean Chouan. He was nicknamed "Chouan" — a corruption of the French chatuant, (screech owl) — because of his use of the "hoot" as a secret call. --Bejnar (talk) 22:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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