The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Bobet 11:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charr (Guild wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Unencyclopedic article on fictional species in a video game. Notability outside the game is nonexistent. Nothing is attributed to multiple, independent, reliable sources. Later sections of the article delve into game guide territory. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guild Wars articles for AfD precedents from the same game. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 22:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 22:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Unsourced original research and game guide in place. The Kinslayer 09:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete - Fictional species with no notability outside of Guild Wars (computer game). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect basic content to Guild Wars; it looks like there's already a Guild Wars wiki, which would be the better location for in-depth content. --Alan Au 17:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: there is already sufficient treatment of this species in the article on the relevant Guild Wars installment, Guild Wars Prophecies#Story. Merging into Guild Wars would be inadvisable: that article does not summarise the plot of individual Guild Wars games. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 04:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per above. Wickethewok 22:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Merge to List of Guild Wars characters. As far as I can tell, this "fictional species" is a major group in the game. In no other article (not even Guild Wars Prophecies#Story) are the "Charr" described as a species (or any other description of them specifically). -- Black Falcon 03:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why would a list of characters discuss a species generally? Do you mean simply mentioning the notable boss charrs (which would be fine)? Are you suggesting that that list be expanded in scope to describe the species also? If so, you should note that that list is an increasingly potbellied mess of unattribut{ed,able} information. It would almost be better to create a new List of Guild Wars species to describe the major species in the game, such as dragons, dwarves, mantled knights, and so on. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 11:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • A "List of Guild Wars species" would quickly grow just as bloated - there are many major species; but at least as many minor ones. Personally, I would only support such a list if it were restricted in some way - such as limited to only those species known to be capable of speech or only those that meet some other criteria for inclusion. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am unfamiliar with the Guild Wars game series, but no, I did not mean simply mentioning the major bosses. It is possible to organise a "List of characters" article by species, with brief descriptions of each given at the outset. In any case, I only intended to suggest the merger of the "Charr Description" section (although I failed to specify that initially) and not of the entire article. A List of Guild Wars species article may be appropriate, but perhaps unnecessary given the existence of the list of characters. Also, it would not at present be viable as there seem to be no articles for other species (incidentally, how many are there?). Maybe the best option is, in fact, to delete and simply add a one-sentence description in some relevant article. -- Black Falcon 18:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • In reply to your query ... according to GuildWiki, there are 89 species. Although, they may have split some or merged some differently than how the game developers define species. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • 89?!? Holy ... alright, no need to go overboard. As there don't seem to be article on any other race/species in the Guild Wars universe, a merge to any other article is less plausible (issues of quality aside). I'm changing my recommendation to delete. -- Black Falcon 02:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not notable---or even known---to anyone outside the GW player community. At least 60% of the text is bollocks anyhow. Wikipedia is not the place to present a balanced view of the debate on whether the Charr worshipped the Titans or whatever minuscule trivium fans will argue about incessantly on the fansites. The arguments aren't even interesting: this ain't the great Balrog#Winged or Wingless debate. Merging this fancrud (yes, worse than fancruft) anywhere else is like trying to cure a swollen appendix instead of chopping the bloody thing off. Eric Sandholm 22:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.