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The result was Delete without prejudice to re-creation; currently fails WP:BAND Black Kite 09:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to fail WP:BAND for me, it has been created as both Charming Associates and The Charming Associates several times and always ended up speedy deleted. Let's have a proper AfD and settle the matter ;-) Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 11:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails WP:BAND. No notability. WilliamH (talk) 11:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No notability; not big enough to have gotten an album or bio on allmusic. Google turned up a talk page, where the creator of the article called the band "currently in the process of being signed". That was December 2006; it looks like there's been no change. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 11:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Do Not Delete. Although they are not on www.allmusic.com they do have a listing on www.discogs.comVoncrass (talk) 13:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider the criteria here. Being listed on a database does not equate to notability. WilliamH (talk) 14:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at the criteria for disogs.com, in order to be added one has to be notable.Voncrass (talk) 14:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Hardly. One just has to exist. I just put in my college chorus, who did indeed cut a record in 1980. Make mine Delete, fails WP:MUSIC.  Ravenswing  16:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Do Not Delete.:The Charming Associates were shortlisted in the '3 First Cut Awards'. That should address the WP:MUSIC problem, satisfying #9 in the criteria. 'Has won or placed in a major music competition.' http://www.3firstcutawards.co.uk/Estate/FirstCut/profile.cfm?ID=2061 Voncrass (talk) 15:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I stand my my comment that the article doesn't establish notability. The reference count there stands at, well, zero. If you've got some references that support notability, jump on in and ((rescue)) the page.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 02:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That weblink is a self-created profile (with www.myspace.com/voncrassknave given as a webpage, raising WP:COI issues) and has no suggestion that this group actually won or placed this competition; indeed, there is a "Finalists" section distinct from the "Shortlist" section. What makes these "3firstcutawards" (which have a mighty 95 G-hits) a "major competition?"  Ravenswing  16:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • Do Not Delete. The 3 First Cut Awards are a major nationwide competition in the UK hosted by the '3' telephone network.Voncrass (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... with a grand total of 56 unique hits on the UK Google [1], not a single one of which is from any mainstream media, and the bulk of which are Myspace, Youtube and blog sites. By what stretch of the imagination can this be claimed to be a "major" competition?  Ravenswing  20:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • Do Not Delete. Surely coverage on Capital Radio (one of London's largest stations) counts as mainstream media?

http://www.capitalradio.co.uk/article.asp?id=386292 Are there any wiki moderaters from the UK that can get involved in this as they will have better knowledge of the UK media and awards in this country? Voncrass (talk) 10:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• An ad listing on a local radio station's website? Please review WP:RS. I'm looking for an article about these awards.  Ravenswing  13:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• When you say 'local' radio station are you aware that Capital is London's largest radio station? London is a rather large place. I have found an article about the 3 awards, will this satisfy you? http://www.exposure.net/events/articles/139.html Voncrass (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• That's a press release. (On London's fourth largest station, according to its own article.) About a non-notable competition, in which the band in question wasn't even one of the finalists, as WP:MUSIC would require. As in a major competition. Such as the Grammies, or the Van Cliburn competitions, or the MTV Music Awards.  Ravenswing  15:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Non notable band. Judging from the article, this group appears to be a local band. They have not achieved widespread exposure yet. At the present time, they do not meet the requirements set forth in WP:MUSIC. --Cyrus Andiron 16:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Nuke Failure of WP:BANDI'm feeling mean today :) CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 01:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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