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The result was snowball keep. Clearly, deletion is not merited here, and AFD is not the venue to suggest merging—that can be taken to the article's talk page. — ξxplicit 20:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cannibal (EP)

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WP:CRYSTAL violation in the form of a WP:HAMMER violation. No announced tracklist. Not enough information available to produce a useful article. —Kww(talk) 05:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The GNG is not a mandate. We are not under any obligation to have an article on everything that two sources can be scraped together for. When looking at WP:MUSIC for the guideline on when to include unreleased material, it reserves it for "In a few special cases, an unreleased album may qualify for an advance article if there is sufficient verifiable and properly referenced information about it—for example, Guns 'n Roses' 2008 album Chinese Democracy had an article as early as 2004. However, this only applies to a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects—generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label." What makes this fairly run-of-the-mill EP by a run-of-the-mill artist part of that "very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects"? —Kww(talk) 15:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I am equivalently fed up with editors that haven't got the patience to wait for something to be real before writing the article. There's no reason to have articles on unreleased singles, albums, or EPs, except, as WP:MUSIC states, a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects. Nothing qualifies this EP to be considered in that select group.—Kww(talk) 18:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the guideline cited by Kww above has non-specific terms that allow flexibility, including "very", "small", "exceptionally", and "high profile." I'm not totally sure who has the burden of proof here, but it might be the nominator given some of the equally flexible guidelines at WP:ATA. If you think this EP is not "high-profile" enough (for example), it would help this nomination to explain why. But in any case, the original nomination is still off-base altogether because the article does not violate the two guidelines mentioned specifically at that point: WP:CRYSTAL and WP:HAMMER. And so what if it's too early for an album article? Delete now and it will just be recreated later, and who is forcing you to read it in the meantime? --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, WP:MUSIC is responsible for explaining how to apply policies to its topic area. It violates WP:CRYSTAL as explained by WP:MUSIC. The burden of proof is always on the people wanting to include material, and never on those wishing to remove it. You might want to illustrate some way that this EP is exceptionally high-profile. That would go a long way towards meeting WP:MUSIC.—Kww(talk) 18:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's high profile enough to warrant an article only a month before its release IMO. –Chase (talk) 22:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lets ask, does it pass WP:MUSIC?

- (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 18:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I take it you didn't bother to read the part about this only applies to a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects—generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label. Anything can pass part of a guideline. How does this article stack up against that part of the guideline?—Kww(talk) 19:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I take it your taking that out of context, it actually says "In a few special cases, an unreleased album may qualify for an advance article if there is sufficient verifiable and properly referenced information about it—for example, Guns 'n Roses' 2008 album Chinese Democracy had an article as early as 2004. However, this only applies to a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects—generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label." According to this, the only thing were missing is tracklisting, defensibly not a Chrystal violation. And that paragraph is more so referring to an album years/ months away, not a month away. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Advance" is "advance", be it years, months, or weeks. What you are missing is being an "exceptionally high-profile project": there's no reason to have an advance article on this at all, even if it had a tracklisting.—Kww(talk) 19:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like it, just silently walk away. There's no reason to return to an article that "shouldn't exist". Anyways, an alternative might be to place it in the Article Incubator, so certain people are appeased. Adam 94 (talk) 22:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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