The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus (article is kept) - Liberatore(T) 11:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do we consider Miss USA runners-up to be notable? NawlinWiki 03:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, or we'll have to accept articles about every Miss USA entrant. — AKADriver ☎ 03:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - doesn't meet WP:BIO for living people. —ERcheck @ 03:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable biography, WP:BIO refers.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  05:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per all above. PJM 13:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, fails WP:BIO. --Terence Ong 13:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — Winner of Miss Alabama USA contest. If deleted we should then review all state winner pages for notability (e.g. Tamiko Nash, Shauna Gambill, &c.). — RJH 17:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Sources. Do we have good ones (ie. multiple independent works focused on her, in reputable publications)? If yes, keep and expand. If no, delete. If no good sources are adduced by the close of this AFD, the closing editor may consider this a 'vote' to delete. —Encephalon 17:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as someone who won a state title, and competed at the highest national level. Runner-up is pretty good. I think Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soben Huon is a fair precedent, of state title being sufficient. --Rob 21:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Actually, that's a pretty bad precedent, as that AfD was an obviou bad faith nom put up by a troll who was randomly AfD'ing a lot of stuff, so the reflex reaction was a speedy keep for everything he nominated. Most of the keep votes were based on the nominator. Fan1967 01:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There are 51 Miss USA and 51 Miss America titleists per year, as many Mrs. America, etc., etc., etc., times how many years now? By Thivierr's and RJH's reasoning, we should have articles on all of them. Unless she does something other than lost the pageant, then she is not notable. BTW, my cousin was a Miss Anaheim, can I write an article about her? User:Zoe|^(talk) 22:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know. Did she appear in a nationally televised competition program seen by millions, and come in as runner-up? Did she win anything at the state level? If so, please do write about her. --Rob 22:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep winners of state title are notable. They are public people for at least that year. This article's problem is lack of verifiable reliable sources. If we can overcome this problem then keep. FloNight ^talk 02:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the winners of the state title are notable for that very fact. They first compete against many other delegates to win their state title, and are treated as royalty for the year of their reign. They have the responsibility of representing their state in a national competition, televised live. I agree this article has a probelm wtih verifiable and reliable sources, but I will give it some work later today and see what I can dig up. The main problem is that she was a state titleholder from 1992 - it will be practically impossible to find news sources from fourteen years ago, not least because the internet wasn't up to much back then. Not quite sure what the motive in creating this article was (I have refrained from creating articles from so far back), but really the article's only problem is that she was notable in 1992 (compared to the delegates of 2006, for whom there are numerous newspaper articles - and no, I haven't put them in yet but again, I will spend some time working on this later today). As for the attempted deletion of Soben Huon - bad faith nom or no, there are a number of responses which agreed that delegates are inherently notable. Simply because there are a number of them doesn't make them any less notable - only 51 delegates are chosen, but hundreds (if not over one thousand) of delegates who compete for state titles. PageantUpdater 03:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per Thivierr (Rob). I can't find much more information and agree this would be fair option.

I have restored my Keep vote. The article now contains references and I maintain that state titleholders are notable so (in my mind) there are now now problems. PageantUpdater 02:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Since there's a very limited amount of verifiable information on this person in the article, I suggest, that a fair option, is that if more info in the article (with sources) isn't forthcoming, we could keep, but redirect the article to the state pageant. That way, somebody could undo the redir in the future, without starting from scratch. --Rob 04:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Thivierr (Rob). Fagstein 04:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The problem with a redirect is that there is a more notable actor named Candace Brown who is scheduled to star on a show for NBC [1]. Eusebeus 08:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. I renamed the article, to include the middle name. When a bio for the actress is made, the redirect Candace Brown can be converted into an article. When more info for Candace Michelle Brown becomes available, that redirect can be undone (with a disambig link from the other possibly). --Rob 09:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Commnet I want to give the article creator a few more days to provide verifiable reliable sources. If that doesn't happen then we need to merge and redirect. I'm sure that more information is available in old local newspaper articles. It is the very recent stuff that might not be found in reliable sources. I added a source and link yesterday. FloNight ^talk 12:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Further citations added No opinion on notability (although see the article talk page) Thatcher131 15:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• keep please state title winners are importaint Yuckfoo 17:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep second in the country in a notable, national televised, long-running contest, which has a longer history than American Idol. Would you consider deleting Clay Aiken, Justin Guarini? ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.