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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Biscayne[edit]

Camp Biscayne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable and copyvio mostly copied directly from a brochure, though probably not a violation since it's from many years ago. Clarityfiend 08:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete nn, spam--Victor falk 12:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete under G3.Kfc1864 talk _{my edits} 13:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • G3? Doesn't look like blatant vandalism...
• Delete -- doesn't assert notability of subject. If evidence can be found that this particular camp had something unique about it that makes it encyclopedic, willing to change vote.--SarekOfVulcan 23:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It has received significant coverage in this history book about Florida. The Miami Herald wrote an article about it free article preview. Google news archives shows other stories with at least some coverage of it, despite it not being in existence since 1925. --Oakshade 04:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Both mention it, but do not support any notability that I can see. Clarityfiend 05:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• They're more than just "passing mentions" as the coverage appears in depth. As per WP:NOTE, being the subject of secondary reliable sources establish notability. --Oakshade 06:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The Google News references appear to frequently be mentioning the current neighborhood, rather than the historical camp. Should the article be retargeted to cover the neighborhood, with additional coverage of how it got its name?--SarekOfVulcan 12:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Some of them are of the current neighborhood, which arguably qualifies in itself as notable, but there's enough coverage of the historic camp too to establish notability.--Oakshade 15:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• DO NOT DELETE - This article is the only place on the web which contains information on the historic Camp Biscayne. I am the curator of the Barnacle Historic State Park and there is currently a volunteer is is typing up the rest of the information (the guests list) which will be downloaded very soon. Guests listed in the hotel register include Alexander Graham Bell, 1920s aviator Ruth Rowlands Nichols (the woman's record holder for distance, altitude, and speed), William Grisby McCormick, several other McCormicks, some Rockefellers, Kirk Munroe (author), Mary Barr Munroe, Nathanial Lord Britten (Director, New York Botanical Gardens), Henry Howard (a prominent yachtsman, and holder of over 100 patents), F.Grey Griswold, and many other individuals who were well known in their communities or their fields during this period. Many of them were well known at the time among sportsmen, especially yachtsmen.

We will be putting the Camp Biscayne sign up, and further references. The undated brochure is in our archives, as is the hotel register. There are only three books written about the Barnacle. Munroe's autobiography (now out of print) includes a brief chapter on Camp Biscayne. The Barnacle, Camp Biscayne, the Biscayne Bay yacht Club, Ransom School, and the Women's Club were the principal organizations in the Grove 100 years ago as they are today. But of these only Camp Biscayne is no longer extant. You should know that Ralph Munroe has an almost cult following among sailors of traditional wooden boats. Many of the leading yachtmen of the day owned Munroe boats and many of these were guests at Camp Biscayne. Please leave it up we will take your views seriously and strive to improve this site. Yours truly, Susannah Worth, Curator, The Barnacle Historic State Park. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susannah Worth (talk • contribs) 18:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as passing notability and sourcing. Bearian'sBooties 20:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per historical significance, but could probably use a little more sourcing and assertion that the topic is significant. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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